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Proposal: wpg-phi

Flyers pass I'd rather have the blue chip defensive prospect Sanheim and the player on the flyers that had the highest TOI on the team (before he was injured) Del Zotto and our friends in the great white north up their in Winnipeg should be happy to keep their top 4, 22 year old RHD Jacob Troubadour.
 
Leaving aside whether either team would do the trade, there is one significant concern to take into account: Michael Del Zotto and Nick Schultz are not even REMOTELY close to the same value, so Sanheim + Del Zotto is a very different offer from Sanheim + Schultz.

In case you haven't watched the Flyers recently, Del Zotto's been arguably our best overall defenseman since he got here, and is worth every penny of his deal. Schultz, meanwhile, has been worth every penny of Brandon Manning's deal. If only he were making that. If you're looking at the deal as Sanheim + Cap Dump, then Del Zotto's name is not one you should bring into the equation.
 
Schultz has no part in this imaginary trade. He's a depth cap dump.

As for Sanheim + MDZ for Trouba. That's absurd. Trouba is entering his 22-23 season and has shown to be a legit top 4 RHD. There's still more potential there at that age (duh) even if he's plateaued a bit the last couple seasons in the raw numbers. He also has the honor of playing with the, uhhhh, much heralded Mark Stuart and sometimes on his wrong side and not always in the best situations. As I said, top pairing potential is still absolutely there and maybe even projectable.

But Sanheim has just as much potential as Trouba. Even more offensively. I don't think Sanheim is available personally, but I understand that if he were, the Flyers would need to add slightly for the greater known in Trouba, but MDZ has turned himself into a legitimate top 4 two way d man. And he's 26. Way too much value going the Jets way.
 
IAMGROOT said:
To Jets: Sanheim+ Del Zotto/ Schultz

To Flyers: Trouba

Flyers are loaded in left D while the Jets are short on left D. Del Zotto or Schultz are added for cap purposes.
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Pass. Trouba won't make the Flyers any better then they'd be with MDZ and Sanheim playing together IMO. MDZ was a good player before injury and Sanheim can be special.
 
Gump Hasek said:
Not looking to downgrade from Trouba to a prospect and cap dumps; thanks anyway.

Pass.
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Del Zotto is a cap dump? That's funny. If so then you have really interesting definiton of cap dump. Going with your definiton, then players like Stafford, Perreault are also cap dumps, right?

For the OP: there is a major difference between Schultz and Del Zotto, they are not interchangeable. Del Zotto is not going to be traded for a cap purpose.
 
MDZ and Schultz are not even close to the same value. MDZ has been the Flyers best Dman the past 2 years. Schultz is a #6 Dman.

MDZ is arguably as good as Trouba right now....him being a UFA hurts his value. Sanheim has more upside than Trouba and certainly is worth more than the difference in value between MDZ and Trouba due to contracts.

Like Gudas, MDZ should be re-signed to shelter the kids and then as they pass him on the depth chart, be traded off.
 
You want Trouba, you put Provorov on the table or end the discussion there. Del Zotto offers very little, as he's UFA next year and considerably older than Trouba, and worse. Sanheim is just potential right now.
 
IAMGROOT said:
To Jets: Sanheim+ Del Zotto/ Schultz

To Flyers: Trouba

Flyers are loaded in left D while the Jets are short on left D. Del Zotto or Schultz are added for cap purposes.
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Easy pass from Jets, that's a really bad offer.
 
Maukkis said:
You want Trouba, you put Provorov on the table or end the discussion there. Del Zotto offers very little, as he's UFA next year and considerably older than Trouba, and worse. Sanheim is just potential right now.
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Lol...so Sanheim is just potential tight now, yet Provorov isn't?

Philly easily says no to this. They can just re- sign MDZ...he is as good as Trouba.....and keep Sanheim....who will be as good as Trouba in a few years.....and much, much cheaper.
 
Tripod said:
Lol...so Sanheim is just potential tight now, yet Provorov isn't?

Philly easily says no to this. They can just re- sign MDZ...he is as good as Trouba.....and keep Sanheim....who will be as good as Trouba in a few years.....and much, much cheaper.
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I'm sorry but MDZ is not in the same discussion as Trouba.
 
Is this a joke? The Jets give up by far the most valuable piece for a soon to be UFA who's far worse and a prospect who may or may not ever be as good and is years away... And Flyers fans are saying no?
 
Mortimer Snerd said:
Flyers fans are passing. :shakehead
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As with pretty much any deal involving a top prospects, it's a case of Known Commodity Syndrome. We know that Trouba has miles of upside beyond what he has already shown on NHL ice, yet we haven't been tracking him intently for years, like we have with Sanheim. And there is plenty of reason to be giddy about seeing Sanheim don the Flyers' jersey, particularly for a defensive star-starved franchise as Philadelphia.

Add in the fact that Trouba's contract talks and his legitimate request for big numbers, versus a player who can reasonably be expected to crack the Flyers' roster in 1-2 years and will be cost-controlled for the few years thereafter.

Finally, we have almost unanimously discounted Schultz as the add-on, but Del Zotto is far from a cash dump.
 
Mortimer Snerd said:
Flyers fans are passing. :shakehead
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Whileee said:
They cling to their myriad of LHD prospects dearly.

As for this proposal, not a chance from the Jets perspective.
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Lol...why wouldn't we pass?

Why wouldn't the Flyers cling to good/great high end defensive prospects?

We are not trading a top 4 Dman and a prospect who could be a top pairing Dman, for a top 4/top pairing Dman.

This OP was not started by a Flyers fan....looks like possibly an Oilers fan. We are more than happy to keep who we got and make the playoffs again as we rebuild.

The Jets can sign Trouba anytime and put all these needless threads to rest. Assuming he doesn't want too much money of course. Pay him 5 million for 5/6 years and call it a day.
 
As was said in the thread yesterday, there's going to be no agreeable deal here. I'd like Trouba, but im not paying the price for him, and we likely can't afford him. Any deal with us getting Trouba involves salary going back in the way of Andrew Macdonald, and Jets fans walk away at that point.
 
vBurmi said:
Is this a joke? The Jets give up by far the most valuable piece for a soon to be UFA who's far worse and a prospect who may or may not ever be as good and is years away... And Flyers fans are saying no?
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MDZ is not FAR worse. He's not on Trouba's level, for sure. But he has played very well over the last two years. You should watch sometime. Sanheim is potential, but at this point, Trouba is unsigned, and likely costs too much for us anyway. That's why we say no, and it's pretty easy to do so.

We'll keep our cost controlled asset and wait it out. We aren't in a rush.
 
Tripod said:
Who was better?

Ghost only played 1 year....I said 2 years.
Streit was good 2 years ago....poor this year.
Schultz? Nope
AMac? Nope
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Streit was better in 14-15, and Ghost & Gudas were better in 15-16. MDZ was a healthy scratch for nine games in 14-15 for defensive reasons. In 15-16 his defense was much better, but his offense disappeared.

I think MDZ would have value to the Jets as a 2nd pairing LHD, but in a trade for a forward prospect + Stuart as a cap dump. Not for Trouba.
 
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Definite pass. The people who know nothing about MDZ are probably the same people who still view Mason with Columbus. Clueless.
 
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