Agreed. Philly comes out way ahead. Ghost is a train wreck defensively and Morin isn't even close to Sergachev. Montreal loses the most but Winnipeg also loses.
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Agreed. Philly comes out way ahead. Ghost is a train wreck defensively and Morin isn't even close to Sergachev. Montreal loses the most but Winnipeg also loses.
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Philadelphia probably wouldn't trade Gostisbehere for Trouba straight up. Don't know enough about Sergachev, but it seems very premature to say that he's much better than Morin
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I really don't see why people feel the need to voice an opinion with no actual substance behind it. You're not fooling anyone and you look worse for having said anything so blatantly false.
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Now I know how Ottawa fans feel when people say EK can't play D.
The interesting part about this Sergachev>> Morin and Trouba >> Ghost talk is that Sergachev is viewed as a greater prospect (i'm assuming, because ive never seen him play) because he has a greater offensive upside, while i can't imagine that his defensive play is any better than Morin's.
Meanwhile, Ghost is being torn apart because despite his actual offensive production being much greater than Trouba's, his defensive game is "lacking" (which isnt even remotely true, but i digress). That's a very interesting way to look at things.
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It may be an overreaction, but his coach literally just benched him for playing ****** d. It's not blatantly false when his own coach is hinting at it with his actions...
That said he's awesome and I'd want him he will be a top pair guy one day soon.
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I mean I sort of get that the values are more-or-less equivalent going across.
But WHY does this trade get made? What weakness is any team trying to shore up? WHat need is being satisfied by any of these teams?
But WHY does this trade get made? What weakness is any team trying to shore up? WHat need is being satisfied by any of these teams?
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man you know its an awful proposal when everybody thinks there is a clear winner yet nobody can agree on which team even wins. Close 'er up.
But just for fun IMO (obviously not validated by the critics)
Trouba=ghost....albeit much diff players..i went to school in philly and played in a tournament with him in Lawrenceville, NJ and i love ghosts game, ive never seen a player with more deceiving tricks whether its a head fake, stick fake, edge skate maneuver the dude is awesome and his defense although not excellent is not sub par and what he gives you on PP is seriously unmatched.
Wheeler slightly better than patches but patches younger slightly and makes less....i didnt realize wheeler could only play RW which doesnt make sense for MTL but stick him on the left side with Galch and Radulov and thats scary and then byron could do his thing on 2/3 line. with radulov on a one year contract idk how wheeler isnt welcome on MTL when patches is struggling in his own
sergawhateverthespelling is could very well be better, even or worse to Morin its two highly drafted D man who havent touched NHL regular season ice so whatever you want to say about that doesnt matter to me...time will tell.
But just for fun IMO (obviously not validated by the critics)
Trouba=ghost....albeit much diff players..i went to school in philly and played in a tournament with him in Lawrenceville, NJ and i love ghosts game, ive never seen a player with more deceiving tricks whether its a head fake, stick fake, edge skate maneuver the dude is awesome and his defense although not excellent is not sub par and what he gives you on PP is seriously unmatched.
Wheeler slightly better than patches but patches younger slightly and makes less....i didnt realize wheeler could only play RW which doesnt make sense for MTL but stick him on the left side with Galch and Radulov and thats scary and then byron could do his thing on 2/3 line. with radulov on a one year contract idk how wheeler isnt welcome on MTL when patches is struggling in his own
sergawhateverthespelling is could very well be better, even or worse to Morin its two highly drafted D man who havent touched NHL regular season ice so whatever you want to say about that doesnt matter to me...time will tell.
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He's in his second year, and everyone is down on him because he isnt exactly replicating last years performance. I'd wager about 70% of rookies who have great years go through the dreaded sophomore slump. The entire team is playing poor defensively. I wouldnt read too much into a one game seat.
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I wouldn't consider a downgrade at forward and defence as 'making out bandits'
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I don't know why people comment with absurdly extreme statements about players they never seen before. It's beyond me why people either like to out themselves as sensationalist and ignorant or intentionally waste their time and other peoples.
Nice trade OP!
Value is close enough so that every combination of player can be debated.
It addresses some needs everywhere.
Value is close enough so that every combination of player can be debated.
It addresses some needs everywhere.
I fail to see how Serg>>>>Morin. Both were high 1st round picks and neither has played a game in the NHL. that's a hilarious statement, almost as funny as Trouba>>>Ghost. Ghost is clearly the better player now and even more potential to increase it
Nope, try again. Everyone keeps saying he was benched for his D but nothing was ever said about the reasoning. Hhis D has been better than any defender outside of Gudas, MDZ and Manning this year
if you can't see that Sergachev is clearly better than Morin you're a lost cause of homerism
Morin had 16 points in 46 games in his draft year
Sergachev had 57 points in 67 games in his draft year (defenseman of the year in his league)
and that's without considering the fact that the OHL is a way better league than the QMJHL... clearly similar players
Morin is a shut down, lights out defensive monster.... Serg is an offensive defenseman. Ghost is better than Vlasic then by your logic.
Now back to reality, I'm the furthest thing from a Homer And would say Serg >Morin as a prospect but it's absurd to state serg>>>>Morin right now, despite their draft year numbers you wanted to quote they were picked in very close position in their drafts. In a funnel I take Serg but In Philly Morin might have more value as we have 3 better offensive prospects/young players than Serg in Ghost, Sanheim and Provorov
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It's like judging a zebra for its ability to climb a tree.
Morin isn't a point scorer. Can't evaluate him based on that.
Vlasic is a great defenseman because he's very good in his zone while producing offense
players that don't produce at CHL AHL levels rarely become anything more than 3rd pairing/depth fowards, even if they're very good defensively
if it was one bad year offensively for morin ok but he has never produce offense at the level you expect from a good prospect. he looks a lot like Tinordi to me
provorov and sergachev are very similar
sanheim isn't as good (still very good tho). you have to compare production at the same age and sergachev is a lot further in his developpement than sanheim was at 18
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meanwhile morin was always a reach. Offensively, sergs has better potential than all ur D listed and wont be a mess in his own zone *cough* *cough* Ghost *cough*
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Comparing to Tinordi is a joke. If you don't watch him, and just look at stats, just say so.
I'd be more than content to have Morin become a Niklas Hjalmarsson or Chris Tanev. I'll take that over a Top 4 puck mover when we already have (potentially) 3 of them. Morin doesn't NEED to produce offense. We've got plenty of guys to do that already.
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Morin was 4th in PPG in the QMJHL in 2014-15. Is that not producing??? That was the only year he got PP time, and he produced.
Morin is being groomed for a shutdown role in Philly. And that makes sense given that we have Ghost and Sanheim for offense....Provy too. He will be a mainstay on our defense and will likely have Ghost or Sanheim as his D partner in the NHL. Or we can reek terror and put Gudas with him!
You lost all your credibility when you compared him to Tinordi. Watch and see.
yes i don't watch him but, it's not about producing offense, it's about being able to move the puck it's the most important thing in the nhl for a d-man. Hjalmarsson and Tanev are good puck movers, Morin isn't. Good puck movers can produce at lower caliber leagues even if they don't in the nhl.
look i don't care how you view morin, he's not on my team and will never be. In my opinion you'll be lucky to get a 3rd pairing guy out of him. If you thinks he's going to be a top 4 that's fine but don't sell him as equal (or close to equal) to a guy who's projected to be a no1 d-man.
