Proposal: Wpg/Min

[kylbaz]

Need more than a potential late 1st rounder.

I know, I'm just too high on Connor to give him up, no matter how good of the return.

I'd like to see the Jets move some of the bottom six for a solid D man, doesn't have to be a top D man.
We have Petan, Burmistrov, Dano, Armia, Copp, Lowry, and simply not enough room for all of them.

 

[Channelcat]

Yeah Ehlers, Laine and Connor are non-starters.. However Petan, Roslovic, Harkins would be possible.

Ummm remember the Taylor Hall deal? D men are at a premium. We would have no choice but to offer up Ehlers or Connor for a notable D or D prospect.

 

[Thai jet*]

Could the Wild use Myers if added with Petan for one of those LD +? The + could be a pick. That would help our expansion draft concerns.

 

[AdmiralsFan24]

Could the Wild use Myers if added with Petan for one of those LD +? The + could be a pick. That would help our expansion draft concerns.

It would do nothing for Minnesota's expansion draft concerns though.

Take out one of Brodin or Scandella and add Myers and Minnesota would have Suter, Myers, Spurgeon, Dumba, Brodin/Scandella. Can only protect 4 of them at most so it solves nothing.

 

[TaLoN]

It would do nothing for Minnesota's expansion draft concerns though.

Take out one of Brodin or Scandella and add Myers and Minnesota would have Suter, Myers, Spurgeon, Dumba, Brodin/Scandella. Can only protect 4 of them at most so it solves nothing.

Wild have already said they are going the 7-3-1 route so that makes it only 3 D that can be protected, not 4.

 

[gwh]

Wild can afford to lose one of Scandella/Brodin.

Fair return IMO is Connor/Ehlers. Laine is on the next higher price level.

Connor seems more like a wild player. NCAA, US18, good character and solid 2way.

 

[bumblebeeman]

How do top line / potential top line 20ish year old wingers (ehlers and connor) = 2nd pairing defensive defenseman in value? Am I missing something here? How does that make any sense?

 

[Jetsetter]

The Wild are most likely going to lose their 4th best D-man in the expansion draft. Yes they can only lose 1 player but that looks to be a pretty good one. A high quality forward prospect doesn't need to be protected so the Wild could then protect one more player. There's value in this for both teams but I believe it would be for the Wild's 2nd best LHD.

 

[57special]

How do top line / potential top line 20ish year old wingers (ehlers and connor) = 2nd pairing defensive defenseman in value? Am I missing something here? How does that make any sense?

Because the one group( forwards) are NOT top line players right now, just potential top liners, while Scandella/ Brodin have a track record of being top 4 for years now, and in Brodin's case played on the top pairing for the Wild. Brodin, especially, at 22, has plenty of time to grow. Scandella is a top 4 Dman just entering his prime at 26 with a reasonable, long term contract.

These are important details. Not all top4 Dmen are the same. If you made a list of the top 60 Dmen in the NHL, most people would have both those players on it.

HF boards values the potential over the actual, for the most part. I assure you, GM's value the actual far more.

 

[Maukkis]

Because the one group( forwards) are NOT top line players right now, just potential top liners, while Scandella/ Brodin have a track record of being top 4 for years now, and in Brodin's case played on the top pairing for the Wild. Brodin, especially, at 22, has plenty of time to grow. Scandella is a top 4 Dman just entering his prime at 26 with a reasonable, long term contract.

These are important details. Not all top4 Dmen are the same. If you made a list of the top 60 Dmen in the NHL, most people would have both those players on it.

HF boards values the potential over the actual, for the most part. I assure, GM's value the actual far more.

I mostly prefer proven over potential (unless the potential is an absolute can't miss guy), but you have to consider that Ehlers played top line last year for us as a 19-year-old, and scored pretty well doing so. Connor is a different story though, I'll give you that one. Laine is that can't miss guy I was talking about, so there's not much left.

 

[Whileee]

Wild can afford to lose one of Scandella/Brodin.

Fair return IMO is Connor/Ehlers. Laine is on the next higher price level.

Connor seems more like a wild player. NCAA, US18, good character and solid 2way.

Jets don't need a top-4 D nearly enough to trade top-end prospects on ELCs like Connor or Ehlers, especially with an expansion draft coming up. The Jets have a good top-4, and Morrissey is still a quality LHD prospect.

 

[57special]

I mostly prefer proven over potential (unless the potential is an absolute can't miss guy), but you have to consider that Ehlers played top line last year for us as a 19-year-old, and scored pretty well doing so. Connor is a different story though, I'll give you that one. Laine is that can't miss guy I was talking about, so there's not much left.

Yup, Ehlers looked really good, though he tailed off, didn't he? Normal for young players. Just saying that a solid top 4 ( not a fringe top 4D) guy is worth a lot.

 

[mcpw]

Yup, Ehlers looked really good, though he tailed off, didn't he?

No, he was good to start and good to finish the season. He scored one even-strength point in 15 games when our great coach saddled him with Thorburn and Burmistrov, though. Splits here.

 

[Maukkis]

Yup, Ehlers looked really good, though he tailed off, didn't he? Normal for young players. Just saying that a solid top 4 ( not a fringe top 4D) guy is worth a lot.

Not that badly IMO, his 38 points were split quite evenly over the season (barring December, 1 point in 12 games).

 

[Huffer]

Jets don't need a top-4 D nearly enough to trade top-end prospects on ELCs like Connor or Ehlers, especially with an expansion draft coming up. The Jets have a good top-4, and Morrissey is still a quality LHD prospect.

Agreed. Adding Scandella would be nice for sure, but not a chance I would move Ehlers or Connor for him.

Also, making a trade for a D like him wouldn't work for expansion purposes, unless the Jets somehow get Enstrom to waive his NMC and decide not to protect him.

 

[gwh]

Agreed. Adding Scandella would be nice for sure, but not a chance I would move Ehlers or Connor for him.

Also, making a trade for a D like him wouldn't work for expansion purposes, unless the Jets somehow get Enstrom to waive his NMC and decide not to protect him.

I d say zero chance to get a 20min D on 4x4 contract with non roster spare parts. Next thread...

 

[Golden Gophers 4649]

Because the one group( forwards) are NOT top line players right now, just potential top liners, while Scandella/ Brodin have a track record of being top 4 for years now, and in Brodin's case played on the top pairing for the Wild. Brodin, especially, at 22, has plenty of time to grow. Scandella is a top 4 Dman just entering his prime at 26 with a reasonable, long term contract.

These are important details. Not all top4 Dmen are the same. If you made a list of the top 60 Dmen in the NHL, most people would have both those players on it.

HF boards values the potential over the actual, for the most part. I assure you, GM's value the actual far more.

Unless you're an Oilers fan then you believe only Suter is a top 60 defenseman on the Wild. And because nobody plays defense like the Oilers do.

 

[snowkiddin]

Absolutely no interest in moving Laine, Connor or Ehlers. None. Sorry.

 

[Hunter368]

Absolutely no interest in moving Laine, Connor or Ehlers. None. Sorry.

Agreed, no desire to trade anyone of them for either of those Wild dmen

 

[sully1410]

So, in other words, you're not prepared to give up any of WPG's talented prospects for a young, top 4 LHD who is a bonafide NHL'er?

No...but we didn't start this thread. You did.

 

[Evil Little]

Well, I'd sure love to trade some of this bevy of high-end forward prospect talent for some high-end D talent, but it's certainly not going to be expansion exempt for non-exempt.

 

[sully1410]

Well, I'd sure love to trade some of this bevy of high-end forward prospect talent for some high-end D talent, but it's certainly not going to be expansion exempt for non-exempt.

Brodin and Scandella are hardly high end D talent.

 

[Hunter368]

Well, I'd sure love to trade some of this bevy of high-end forward prospect talent for some high-end D talent, but it's certainly not going to be expansion exempt for non-exempt.

Brodin and Scandella are hardly high end D talent.

Agree with both posts. If we trade any of our elite forward prospects we would want back an equally elite dman back.........I don't view either Brodin or Scandella as an acceptable return IMO.

Min fans will disagree and that's cool as well.

 

[Golden Gophers 4649]

Brodin and Scandella are hardly high end D talent.

Except Brodin has already proven to be an effective top pairing defenseman. If you look at 2014-15 he was the better player paired with Suter. He averaged over 23:00/TOI and had just shy of 20 points and was +22.

Last year Yeo took him off that top pairing and never allowed him to settle in with a consistent partner all year. He was partnered with Scandella, Reilly, Dumba and Folin. Brodin at least had the last laugh; when he got hurt and was out for a month the team went into the tank and Yeo got fired.

 

[sully1410]

Except Brodin has already proven to be an effective top pairing defenseman. If you look at 2014-15 he was the better player paired with Suter. He averaged over 23:00/TOI and had just shy of 20 points and was +22.

Last year Yeo took him off that top pairing and never allowed him to settle in with a consistent partner all year. He was partnered with Scandella, Reilly, Dumba and Folin. Brodin at least had the last laugh; when he got hurt and was out for a month the team went into the tank and Yeo got fired.

Did you actually just try to use +/- as an argument? That is the single worst thing you can do on these boards lol.

Anyways, he faced tough competition and was slaughtered by them. Hardly a high level defenseman.