Proposal: Wpg-ari-cbj

[Jets]

To ARI
RD Trouba

To WPG
LD Werenski

To CBJ
C Strome

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[ck26]

No for ARZ. Trouba is nowhere close to Strome for us. Nowhere close. Easy no.

 

[Maukkis]

Which one of Jones or Murray are the Blue Jackets giving to us? Werenski gets nothing done, that's for sure.

 

[Avs44]

I don't see this for CBJ. They could be building a really special defense, and they're also liable to lose JJ/Savard to expansion, so I imagine Werenski will have a really big role soon. If I'm not mistaken, they see Dubois as a centre long term, Dubinsky is a centre, Wennberg is a centre, and I believe Jenner is as well. I think they're fine. Seems to be a trade that gets rid of Trouba's contract problem and fixes the Jets need for a high end LHD, and you tried to get the value in the ballpark on the other pieces without considering those other clubs' needs.

 

[Avs44]

Which one of Jones or Murray are the Blue Jackets giving to us? Werenski gets nothing done, that's for sure.

Not that this deal works money wise for them anyway, but they certainly would make this trade without hesitation if it did.

You have no idea how good Werenski is, do you.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Interesting but I don't think so.

 

[Crede777]

Too much risk for all of the teams involved.

Trouba's contract situation is iffy, Werenski could boom or bust. Strome could boom or bust.

 

[rt]

Arizona says hell no.

 

[WannabeFinn]

Columbus declines. If we planned on trading Werenski for a guy like Strome we probably would've drafted Puljujarvi.

 

[zar]

Which one of Jones or Murray are the Blue Jackets giving to us? Werenski gets nothing done, that's for sure.

Not that this deal works money wise for them anyway, but they certainly would make this trade without hesitation if it did.

Werenski will be the best defenceman mentioned in this post in 2 years, including Trouba but... are the Jets willing to gamble on a sure fire NHL higher end dman for a dman that will very likely hit a higher ceiling?

 

[Maukkis]

You have no idea how good Werenski is, do you.

Actually I have. You clearly have no idea how sometimes prospects don't live up to their expectations. There's no reason for us to re-roll a very successful pick.

If you think that potential beats proven, you shouldn't post here. At all.

Werenski will be the best defenceman mentioned in this post in 2 years, including Trouba but... are the Jets willing to gamble on a sure fire NHL higher end dman for a dman that will very likely hit a higher ceiling?

I agree that Werenski's ceiling is a bit higher than Trouba's. I don't think many Jets fans would disagree. The problem is that we have a 22 year old borderline top pairing guy, who, contrary to popular belief of uninformed HF posters, is still developing. He could very well become that 1D if given the right linemate (a.k.a not Stuart). Why exactly should we trade him for Werenski, who COULD be another Trouba, a bit better or a much worse player than him? Why are we taking the big risk of him not becoming better than Trouba?

Let's give you an example, since I remember you're an Oilers fan. Would you trade Klefbom for Sergachev? You're downgrading by a country mile from a position from which you can't afford to give anyone up, but it could pay off eventually. This hinders your ability to finally push for the playoffs. There's also a risk that Klefbom breaks through and/or Sergachev busts, in which case you have done serious damage to your blue line in both short term and long term.

Are you doing all that just to potentially get better in the future?

That is pretty close to the situation this trade would put Winnipeg in.

 

[WaveRaven]

Actually I have. You clearly have no idea how sometimes prospects don't live up to their expectations. There's no reason for us to re-roll a very successful pick.

If you think that potential beats proven, you shouldn't post here. At all.



I agree that Werenski's ceiling is a bit higher than Trouba's. I don't think many Jets fans would disagree. The problem is that we have a 22 year old borderline top pairing guy, who, contrary to popular belief of uninformed HF posters, is still developing. He could very well become that 1D if given the right linemate (a.k.a not Stuart). Why exactly should we trade him for Werenski, who COULD be another Trouba, a bit better or a much worse player than him? Why are we taking the big risk of him not becoming better than Trouba?

Let's give you an example, since I remember you're an Oilers fan. Would you trade Klefbom for Sergachev? You're downgrading by a country mile from a position from which you can't afford to give anyone up, but it could pay off eventually. This hinders your ability to finally push for the playoffs. There's also a risk that Klefbom breaks through and/or Sergachev busts, in which case you have done serious damage to your blue line in both short term and long term.

Are you doing all that just to potentially get better in the future?

That is pretty close to the situation this trade would put Winnipeg in.

Wouldn't that eliminate 65% of the posters on HFBoards ?

 

[Maukkis]

Wouldn't that eliminate 65% of the posters on HFBoards ?

Probably. But seriously, the inability to consider the surprisingly high risk of your favourite (team's) prospect busting ruins many threads.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Which one of Jones or Murray are the Blue Jackets giving to us? Werenski gets nothing done, that's for sure.

^ding ding ding^

That is the correct answer. Werenski will probably be great, but he wouldn't fill the hole that trading Trouba would leave in the Jets roster today. The Jets aren't seeking to take a step back.

 

[WaveRaven]

Probably. But seriously, the inability to consider the surprisingly high risk of your favourite (team's) prospect busting ruins many threads.

It makes this board unbearable at times.

I am not trading a well rounded young D man for a guy that might turn out better. I'd want Jones + for 2 super duper prospects

 

[Monk]

It makes this board unbearable at times.

I am not trading a well rounded young D man for a guy that might turn out better. I'd want Jones + for 2 super duper prospects

Yes, because trades like this never happen in real life.

 

[Pongs21]

No thanks from this Jets fan.. Solid effort though

 

[Avs44]

Actually I have. You clearly have no idea how sometimes prospects don't live up to their expectations. There's no reason for us to re-roll a very successful pick.

If you think that potential beats proven, you shouldn't post here. At all.

Cute. Certainly we can attach a level of reasonableness to whether a player will turn out or not, it's hardly a coin toss in the case of a prospect of Werenski's calibre. His intelligence with the puck, his smoothness, his offensive instincts, and the strides he took defensively this past year are all incredibly positive signs. He's not a low IQ player relying on physical tools to beat weak competition, and he's noticeably improving on what was his biggest weakness. The notion that somehow the Jets could demand Seth Jones, a player who displayed a higher ability in CBJ than Trouba has, who has higher offensive potential, who (IMO) is significantly more likely to be a #1 defensman, and who is actually signed, is laughable. Your other statement that somehow CBJ would jump all over this is equally ridiculous, especially since their fans in this thread have already shot that one down. I guess you know more than Columbus fans and what they need? With that arrogance, I can certainly understand why you don't think it's necessary for the rest of us to post, you've got it covered.


I'll also add...if the Jets can keep Trouba at a contract long term they are comfortable with, fantastic, but considering this OP is a Jets fan, I'd say it's based on the unspoken premise something hypothetically can't get done. In that scenario, the Jets should thank their stars if they could get a Werenski level defender back, because most certainly nobody is trading a 1 for 1 LH equivalent of Trouba, except signed. Werenski's potential, handedness, close to NHL readiness, age (fits in with Ehlers, Connor, Laine, Schiefele, etc.), and expansion draft exemption make him about the best return I think the Jets could look for if they needed defense back. Keep laughing, I guess.

 

[cslebn]

Which one of Jones or Murray are the Blue Jackets giving to us? Werenski gets nothing done, that's for sure.

You think Strome nets one of those two?

Heck Strome nets Trouba?

 

[GoJetsGo55]

One of the better Trouba proposals I have seen.

 

[CorgisPer60]

Which one of Jones or Murray are the Blue Jackets giving to us? Werenski gets nothing done, that's for sure.

Dude. Werenski has a ridiculously high ceiling and had no problems with adjusting to the AHL to be Lake Erie's #1 D and PP QB in the post season. I would almost trade Trouba for him straight up.

 

[Drew4u]

Doesn't make any sence for Winnipeg doing it. They lose a young proven defencemen, for someone with no NHL experience. Also, Why would Airzona do this. Strome was a top 3 pick, he has a way higher ceiling than Trouba or Werenski.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Pretty sure all 3 teams say no here, Cheveldayoff already said that he's not trading Trouba, Doubt that Chayka has any interested in trading Strome and i can't see Columbus parting with Werenski either no dice from all 3 GMs .

 

[Maukkis]

because most certainly nobody is trading a 1 for 1 LH equivalent of Trouba

Because that is most likely true, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN BENEFIT FROM TRADING TROUBA. THEREFORE, WE KEEP HIM.

 

[Viqsi]

I'm kind of "enh, I dunno, maybe" on Strome (mostly because I've seen how his brother's doing and so I worry), and I'm very high on Werenski. Accordingly, my reaction to this proposal is "not a chance in hell".