Proposal: Wpg-ana-nyr

[Mortimer Snerd]

I believe Trouna is going to paint the Jets into a corner where they will not get equal value. I think Trouba doesn't see the opportunity to reach his potential in Winnipeg based on usage and the signing of Buff.

Try looking at it from Trouba's viewpoint and not as a fan. Why would he want to play the left side and get 2nd or 3rd line PP time behind Buff for two or three years?

Just what do you expect he is going to use for paint? Do you think he will sit out a year?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Anaheim doesn't need RHD. So, no that isn't a win for the Ducks.

Well if you want to put it that way! Ducks do have more LHD talent than RHD but if you don't like the exchange that's fine. I'm just talking value.

 

[mytduxfan*]

To
LD Cam Fowler

To 2
LW Chris Kreider

To
RD Jacob Trouba

Winnipeg gets their LHD of similar age and ability to Trouba
Anahiem recieves a big left winger for their top six who earns a little more than Fowler
New York obtains a good young RHD in Trouba who helps to solidify and add depth to their blueline.

This is solely a hockey trade, trading from each team's position to strength to their position of weakness. I understand the salary may not work for the ducks, but Kreider is a perfect fit for their top line.

I feel like a pick might be needed going to the Ducks from the Rangers. Thoughts?

Not bad. It pretty much addresses the needs of all involved. However, I'd say Trouba is worth slightly more then Kreider or Fowler.

"You spelt Lindholm wrong!"

"What!? Trouba isn't worth that!!!"

"Why would we trade him for anything less???"

"You're insane!"

*Warrior Chart*

"Those don't count!"

"Yes they do!"

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the wheels on the bus go round and round. Round and round. Round and round!

Trouba's warrior chart isn't even that good. Lindholm is a top pairing D-man right now with elite franchise #1D upside. Trouba is more of a top 4. You're overrating him if you truly believe he's even in the same league as Lindholm. Lindholm surpassed Trouba a while ago now.

did fowler sleep with your girl? youre weird bruh

 

[mytduxfan*]

Well if you want to put it that way! Ducks do have more LHD talent than RHD but if you don't like the exchange that's fine. I'm just talking value.

We already have Vatanen, Manson and Bieska on the RS and Montour coming through. Not to mention that Despres can play RS. Yeah, we don't need Myers and his inflated contract.

P.S. Using the exact same charts you use to slate Fowler, it's pretty obvious that Lindholm is better then Trouba AINEC. http://public.tableau.com/shared/6H5QSP5PF?:display_count=yes

 

[LordNeverLose]

Are you fellas missing the fact that ANA is getting Kreider, not Trouba/Myers in this deal??

LOL

 

[spaghtti]

Jets need LD. I'll grant that Lindholm is better than Trouba but not by a lot. RHD are worth a premium that almost equals the difference. If we add a 3rd to Trouba for Lindholm Anaheim wins. Both are unsigned RFAs.

As a fan of the Oilers who have a need for RHD, I would still take Lindholm over Trouba any day

 

[mytduxfan*]

Are you fellas missing the fact that ANA is getting Kreider, not Trouba/Myers in this deal??

LOL

We're not. It's just that WPG fans seem to feel the need to put down Fowler at every opportunity they get. I understand if they think Trouba has greater value then Fowler (I tend to agree given his age, potential and contract situation), but what I can't help commenting on is their belief that Trouba is in the same league as Lindholm.

They use these stupid warrior charts to slate Fowler, but, when those exact same warrior charts show that Lindholm is >>> Trouba, suddenly, those numbers are only "indicative" or "don't matter" or "aren't considering his partner". It's hilarious because they literally give the exact same argument we give when they use those charts to slate Fowler i.e. they're only indicative values, they don't take into consideration QoC, ZS, ZE, etc., or the fact that Fowler has been playing with Kevin "the turnover machine" Bieksa.

It's just facepalmingly bad stuff all round really.

 

[jetsforever]

Trouba > Fowler > Myers

I'ts pretty obvious to those of us without homer glasses on that this is the order. If Trouba is going to NYR, they add a 1st going to WPG. If Myers is going to NYR, WPG sends them a 2nd

I would do Myers + 2nd for Fowler

 

[spaghtti]

I would do Myers + 2nd for Fowler

I could be wrong but I don't think the Ducks are in search of a D-man

 

[Maukkis]

Unless Anaheim is willing to give up Lindholm, Trouba doesn't move in a trade between these teams. And Ducks fans, for god's sake, learn to take "no" as an answer.

 

[LeapOnOver]

the value isn't there for the rangers. Trouba is overrated, he's a decent top four defencemen but i wouldn't trade krieder for him.

lol!!!

 

[Whileee]

Jets' needs I belive is a LD, so the idea actually isn't bad, but NYR needs to add a 1st going to WPG

I prefer Trouba on LD over Fowler now. Trouba is just coming off his ELC and Fowler is 2 years from UFA. That's a huge difference.

Fowler for Trouba is not even close from the Jets perspective.

 

[OutsideLookingIn]

Just what do you expect he is going to use for paint? Do you think he will sit out a year?

If he sits out one game it looks bad for the Jets and Trouba. The Jets take enough heat as a place that may not attract top FA, what will it look like when they can't sign their own RFA. It is not he same as Lindnolm or the other current RFAs that are not signed. Those other RFAs have been allowed to grow into top line players. The same can not be said for Trouba.

 

[Jeti]

Trouba is closer to Lindholm than Fowler, even disregarding the fact that Fowler is older, not getting any better and is under team control for less time. Anaheim fans need to give up this delusion. Swap him for Myers and this is a lot closer.

 

[spaghtti]

Trouba is closer to Lindholm than Fowler, even disregarding the fact that Fowler is older, not getting any better and is under team control for less time. Anaheim fans need to give up this delusion. Swap him for Myers and this is a lot closer.

You are either to high on Trouba or not high enough on Lindholm, and I think Fowler is better than Myers too.

I have no horse in this race just my opinion

 

[mytduxfan*]

You are either to high on Trouba or not high enough on Lindholm, and I think Fowler is better than Myers too.

I have no horse in this race just my opinion

You're not convincing anyone. Warrior charts rule this forum.

 

[lindholmie]

Trouba is closer to Lindholm than Fowler, even disregarding the fact that Fowler is older, not getting any better and is under team control for less time. Anaheim fans need to give up this delusion. Swap him for Myers and this is a lot closer.

Oh yes Fower peaked at 24 lmaooo jets fans are delusional

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

We already have Vatanen, Manson and Bieska on the RS and Montour coming through. Not to mention that Despres can play RS. Yeah, we don't need Myers and his inflated contract.

P.S. Using the exact same charts you use to slate Fowler, it's pretty obvious that Lindholm is better then Trouba AINEC. http://public.tableau.com/shared/6H5QSP5PF?:display_count=yes

I didn't use any chart. For Trouba we have to dig a little deeper and see how he played without Stuart. His value isn't obvious until we do that more in depth analysis. Which I'm way too lazy to go into here and now BTW. Its been done and posted many times.

 

[zar]

Rangers add significantly, like a late 1st or good prospect.

Lindholm >>> Trouba > Fowler > Myers

Trouba is valued higher primarily due to Fowler only being signed for 2 more years before UFA... they both have a different skill-set. Trouba slightly better defensively and more physical. Fowler is slightly better offensively and a better puck mover.

 

[rockinghockey]

As per normal HF over valuing their own players
Trouba has not proven much, will be interesting to see what he signs for

 

[CanadienShark]

Rangers make away like bandits.

Ducks get ripped off.

Jets lose slightly.

 

[mytduxfan*]

I didn't use any chart. For Trouba we have to dig a little deeper and see how he played without Stuart. His value isn't obvious until we do that more in depth analysis. Which I'm way too lazy to go into here and now BTW. Its been done and posted many times.

Of course. You have to "dig a little deeper" when it comes to Trouba's "meh" advanced stats, but with Fowler's "the numbers don't lie".

Classic.

 

[Dijock94]

Rangers can't afford another defenseman that needs to be protected in expansion

 

[McSuper]

Trouba's shot differentials are far superior than Fowler's. Even Trouba's weak shot suppression is better than Fowler's.

youre weird bruh

People need to understand stats as they are more reliable then people give them credit for . The only stats that doesn't matter is +/- which is a team stat which can been seen when a player is traded from a bottom team to a top team their +/- takes a positive jump . It not like the player has all of a sudden became a defensive stud ,It's just the team that makes it look a whole lot better .

I don't have a dog in this fight so to me it doesn't matter . The shot suppression need to be look at with the competition in mind . What was each player facing , 1st line , 2nd line , 3rd line all makes a difference . I am not going to look it up as I don;t care but watching both players I would say Trouba is better then there the RHD thing that increase his value more . ( This is going by my limited viewing of both players )

If I had Trouba on my team and needed a LHD I would want a good add in .

 

[heretik27]

If he sits out one game it looks bad for the Jets and Trouba. The Jets take enough heat as a place that may not attract top FA, what will it look like when they can't sign their own RFA. It is not he same as Lindnolm or the other current RFAs that are not signed. Those other RFAs have been allowed to grow into top line players. The same can not be said for Trouba.

To be fair, his agent is Kurt Overhardt. He's had his clients hold out before it wouldn't really be to anyone's surprise if he tried to use this tactic again to try and bully a small market team into caving into their demands.