Would you want the leafs to trade Matthew’s if they lose next game?

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Depends. If they keep trading away what little futures they have left for another year or two, it's hard to see how they could make the playoffs again within 5 years. Also, you say they won't be worse than the Sabers and Red Wings but you don't really know that, they might be even worse.

I do know that especially in the case of the Sabres that team has no credibility in the GM chair, they aren't getting better, in fact you could argue they are getting worse.

It looks they are going to trade Byram that won't make them better in all likelihood.

And Yzerman is an AWFUL GM, he's been there 6 years himself they haven't made ANY progress, in fact like Buffalo they are getting worse, they did worse this year then last year.

They took a top 4 D and GIFTED him WITH a 2nd for free.

What's going on in those teams they are both tire fires with AWOL GMS.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I do know that especially in the case of the Sabres that team has no credibility in the GM chair, they aren't getting better, in fact you could argue they are getting worse.

It looks they are going to trade Byram that won't make them better in all likelihood.

And Yzerman is an AWFUL GM, he's been there 6 years himself they haven't made ANY progress, in fact like Buffalo they are getting worse, they did worse this year then last year.

They took a top 4 D and GIFTED him WITH a 2nd for free.

What's going on in those teams they are both tire fires with AWOL GMS.

None of that means that we couldn't possibly do worse.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

None of that means that we couldn't possibly do worse.

They would have to be destroyed by injury for that to happen even if Marner walks

 

[Commander Clueless]

Depends a lot on what you get for him I suppose, but honestly? Probably indifferent.

He's a rare talent, so if they keep him I get it.

He also can't seem to find it in the games that matter most, so if they trade him I get it.

 

[tmlms13]

Completely f**king irrelevant.

No it's not. AM34 almost singlehandedly got us out of that train wreck of an era.

I'll take the Core4 over kessel and phaneuf every single day

If you trade mathews for a bunch of picks and spare parts we aren't making the playoffs

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

He was clutch tonight.

He needs to do it Sunday in game 7 but they don't win tonight without him.

 

[The Iceman]

I love the rebuild talk for a division winning team

 

[IPS]

No I don't think Matthews scoring game winners in elimination games is going to lead to the team asking him to waive his NMC.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

This FA crop is terrible.

There is a trade market too.

I know somebody will say "they have no assets"

That's not true teams never truly run out of assets, I've watched this sport for to long and seen to many trades there is ALWAYS a way.

Does ANYBODY Remember what Calgary got form Atlanta for Marc Savard? You would say Toronto doesn't have the assets to get a player like that.

He went for as close to nothing as you can get without it being literally nothing.

Do you remember the Joe Thornton yo SJ trade?

There was no top prospects or draft picks in that deal.

Do you remember either of the Jagr trades?

Pittsburgh got scraps, and with all due respect to Anson he's not enough for Jagr.

Speaking of Anson Carter do you Remember what Washington got for him? A prospect that did nothing.

I could do this all night, there are 100's of examples.

Point is teams never truly run out of assets it doesn't happen.

 

[PoutineSniper]

Imagine being the most expensive player in the nhl, with 6 teammates making 7% or less of what you make and yet you call your teammates "passengers".

If matthews seemed like a nice guy or a good teammate, I'd give him a break.

But it doesn't seem like he is. All he has cared about is maximizing his $$. We gave him front loaded, almost all in signing bonuses, no trade clauses and he got to play with other top players.

What did he give back? Absolutely nothing.

Please trade him this loser.

 

[bodechek]

I know my choice will not be popular, but you don't just trade Matthews. Centers are hard to come by and even more difficult to get via trade or free agency. Case in point, the huge drop off after Sundin left, Tyler Bozak did an admirable job, but he was not that top line talent that Leaf fans wanted (he did have chemistry with Kessel). So my answer would be no.

 

[horner]

He’s hurting the team right now.

It all depends on the injuries and how he’s handling them. If the Leafs are not in control of the situation, then heck yes.

The core controls everything this team does .
He'll taking MO of the Pp1 was a huge talking point .
His feeling are going to get hurt.
Hyman there seemed to be issues with Mathews playing with him .
They control the team
That needs to change some how.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Imagine being the most expensive player in the nhl, with 6 teammates making 7% or less of what you make and yet you call your teammates "passengers".

If matthews seemed like a nice guy or a good teammate, I'd give him a break.

But it doesn't seem like he is. All he has cared about is maximizing his $$. We gave him front loaded, almost all in signing bonuses, no trade clauses and he got to play with other top players.

What did he give back? Absolutely nothing.

Please trade him this loser.

He was also crying for help at the deadline while being the most selfish player in the league.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Would you buy a house? Depends on the price
What we getting back

 

[Confucius]

Mathews will be a more complete player if Mitch leaves

 

[Trapper]

Mathews will be a more complete player if Mitch leaves

I hope the effect is like taking the training wheels off the bike.

 

[Confucius]

I hope the effect is like taking the training wheels off the bike.

He wasn’t as predictable as Laine but he was heading there. I thought he was a more complete player in his rookie year than he is now. Quite often the routine appeared to be, just get open and wait for a Mitch pass.

 

[Trapper]

He wasn’t as predictable as Laine but he was heading there. I thought he was a more complete player in his rookie year than he is now. Quite often the routine appeared to be, just get open and wait for a Mitch pass.

Doing the same thing over and over becomes comfortable. Including losing.
Removing Marner is a massive shakeup. Hopefully something new and better spawns.

 

[hfman]

what people aren't understanding here

most fans don't want to get rid of matthews because of a lack of production on the ice

most fans want him gone because of his attitude and behavior and how it's very very likely a lot of his teammates both past and present don't like playing with him and don't like him in the dressing room and don't like his actions and interests off the ice.

'Celebrity' first, hockey second. The dressing room doesn't like it and neither do most fans

 

[likecheese]

Mathews will be a more complete player if Mitch leaves

They could have performed that experiment this season but the old Leaf motto, if it ain't working don't fix it.

 

[likecheese]

what people aren't understanding here

most fans don't want to get rid of matthews because of a lack of production on the ice

most fans want him gone because of his attitude and behavior and how it's very very likely a lot of his teammates both past and present don't like playing with him and don't like him in the dressing room and don't like his actions and interests off the ice.

'Celebrity' first, hockey second. The dressing room doesn't like it and neither do most fans

I've always had that suspicion and the "passenger" comment reaffirms it.

 

[Nineteen67]

I think they should trade him even if they win their next game.

 

[Stephen]

what people aren't understanding here

most fans don't want to get rid of matthews because of a lack of production on the ice

most fans want him gone because of his attitude and behavior and how it's very very likely a lot of his teammates both past and present don't like playing with him and don't like him in the dressing room and don't like his actions and interests off the ice.

'Celebrity' first, hockey second. The dressing room doesn't like it and neither do most fans

There's just been a fundamental break in trust that this guy is capable of ever leading a team to a championship, a decade into this partnership.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

He wasn’t as predictable as Laine but he was heading there. I thought he was a more complete player in his rookie year than he is now. Quite often the routine appeared to be, just get open and wait for a Mitch pass.

You're Absolutely correct on that. I might add that they brought out the best AND worst in each other. Marner would never shoot because he was looking for AM and AM wouldn't really try anything but wait for a pass to pull the trigger. They both negated parts of their game. I think AM played really well last year with Domi because he HAD to be more complete...

 

[nuck]

No it's not. AM34 almost singlehandedly got us out of that train wreck of an era.

I'll take the Core4 over kessel and phaneuf every single day

If you trade mathews for a bunch of picks and spare parts we aren't making the playoffs

About a Matthews trade, it wouldn't be for a bunch of futures. You would expect to be taking another club's high end younger center as part of the return. A deal built around at least two quality cost controlled young talents in return,++ who are only on the table because it is AM and its a deal you only look at if the right center is part of the return. He has an MVP and a 69g season and 3 years on his deal. Most of the teams in the league would drop their pants to get him with the biggest limiting factor being how many clubs would he consider waiving for.

Its not a deal I would be looking at because of the two I think he has a better shot at a big playoff than Mitch and I would not pay Marner a dime more than $12M to stay just because they paid Willie $11.5M. But he would get a really strong return.