Would you trade Bouchard?

Would you trade Bouchard?

  • yes

    Votes: 40 23.4%
  • no

    Votes: 126 73.7%
  • other

    Votes: 5 2.9%

  • Total voters
    171
The ego on you :laugh: "driving the bus" my man I'm not even convinced you know where the bus IS. The only thing you've said seemingly this season is "Nurse is overpaid for what he brings" which shows you've watched a hockey game in the last five years. You say more and worse about Bouchard on a day to day basis.

you harp on Bouchard... why exactly? Or is "i don't hate the player and want him to succeed" limited to guys with bloated contracts they haven't lived up to? Because for 3.9 million, Bouchard is one of the best contracts in the NHL.

I'll also point out that for all of Bouchard's supposed defensive struggles, he's been on for 7 5v5 goals against this month. Nurse has been on for 13, almost double that. Nurse also has the worst fancies of any regular Oiler D in January... so work that into your mix, too.
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If he wants more than Nurse I mean Cale Makar then hell no. He is nowhere near the player Makar is or ever will be. He is a PP merchant 100% and he f***ED us in game 7 by taking 87 years to move his slow feet up the ice and do anything with the puck. f*** Bitchard.
The grade school nickname really adds to the objectivity of your post.
 
He get’s all the best assignments, Drai being in beast mode sure pads Bouchard’s stats. Since you’re a stat person, how many boneheaded giveaways, lazy back checks and missed nets in the last 31 games?
I can answer the missed shot question. In those 31 games he had 36 missed shots. In the same time frame Ekholm had 39 missed shots. He also had 87 shots on goal and Ekholm had 67.
 
There's not a chance in hell management would ever get appropriate value for this player. Bouchard's brain lapses are frustrating but next to McDavid he was probably our best player in the playoffs last year, especially during the Vancouver series.
 
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The grade school nickname really adds to the objectivity of your post.
Though not to the accuracy.

Since the start of 2023 Bouchard is 5th amongst defensemen in ES points with 72 in 131 games. In that period he has 47 pp points. Makar has 80 ES points in 128 games and 61 pp points. add in the playoffs and it is 90 ES points in 156 games for Bouchard and 87 in 139 for Makar.
 
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Though not to the accuracy.

Since the start of 2023 Bouchard is 5th amongst defensemen in ES points with 72 in 131 games. In that period he has 47 pp points. Makar has 80 ES points in 128 games and 61 pp points. add in the playoffs and it is 90 ES points in 156 games for Bouchard and 87 in 139 for Makar.
Yeah, but all of Bouchard's production is because of McDrai while Makar does it all himself because he only plays with bums. :sarcasm:
 
He get’s all the best assignments, Drai being in beast mode sure pads Bouchard’s stats. Since you’re a stat person, how many boneheaded giveaways, lazy back checks and missed nets in the last 31 games?

You made a ridiculous post about Bouchard by saying he isn’t scoring or making good plays now either (which both are wrong), and now you're trying to say Draisaitl being the way he is pads Bouchard stats. Seriously?

That's as stupid as the mains or anybody else that went year after year yapping that Draisaitl is just a PP merchant or is just a product of McDavid.
 
There's a good chance Bouchard's performance in the playoffs this year, looks somewhat like last year. He's significantly hurt his future contract value with a subpar regular season in a contract year. It all might work out in the Oiler's favour wrt his AAV on a bridge deal
 
Damned if you let him go (he’s an amazing puck mover/offensive talent).

Damned if you give him 10 million (egregious defensive lapses and lack of effort at times).
 
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No, once you trade Bouchard then you're looking for another one.

I also think his lack of defensive focus is mostly matching the mindset of the group overall and coaching.

Defensive responsibility is an afterthought as long as the puck is going in the net the other way.

Knoblauch doesn't seem to want to change it, maybe the next coach is the one to reinforce this.

Bouchard can improve defensively but won't unless the team focus changes.

I think it would be far more logical to blame Coffey, but I agree. ;)

Having said that, this team, as a team, including Bouchard playing 25mins a night is at the top, or near the top, in every defensive stat (except SPCT), whether they be fancy or simple stats. Collectively they are getting it done.

I think the attitude is to be stingey, but never give up the chance to make a good play... weigh the risk benefit all the time.

Now some guys... guys like Bouchard... are going to have a different idea of risk:reward and honestly, you WANT that. I don't want Emberson trying to thread passes or dangle wingers at the opponent's blueline, and you do want Bouchard's risk tolerance to be higher.

It's about making the plays that YOU are capable of making... and be responsible/culpible if you mess up. Know where the line in your game is - where YOU are making the most of YOUR abilities. That's it really.

A whole team of guys who learn that is very tough to deal with.

The Rantsnen negotiations should be a wake-up call for all players looking for their bag.

Totally agree with this point. Said the same thing to my wife... teams can't afford to pay $10M+ for the #3 player... just can't.

I would think Bouchard's camp was cringing at how quickly that went down. It's huge leverage for us.
 
Also I know I came off a little mean last post but here lets use JFresh and his impeccable play cards that he can't even bother editing the years on the right hand side correctly here is the cherry picked 2024 stats for Evan: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDvC372XIAA1c4F.jpg:large

Wow! That type of player is f***ing awesome! Lets see how he is THIS year (keep in mind the season 2023-2025 doesn't make sense what the f***): https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GeDcBLeXUAALtUD?format=jpg&name=large

Look at the Defence. From a paltry 65% (we got destroyed in the finals thanks to his weaknesses) to a laughable 47%! He aint even a powerplay merchant this year with 12 PP points therefore 25 even strength points with 0 goals on the PP and 12 assists.

Makar has 56 points in 51 games but if you take away his 8 goals and 14 assists on the PP you are left with 34, which is greater than 25. We CAN replace Bouchard. Broberg is getting paid more than Bouchard at the moment and JFresh said "Broberg's lack of significant quantifiable progression since draft day has him projecting as a coin-flip to be a full-time NHLer and unlikely to have the upside of an 8th overall pick." so maybe his rating system is ass backwards r tarded but I can say for certain Bouchard is better playing for one of our enemies in the playoffs, so he can let his own team down and not ours.

Chill guy, but like I give a f*** about that.
This is such a bad post and horrendous take.

Evan Bouchard's "down year" is him being on pace for 65 points while having NO PP goals (that will change for sure) and having a 55%+ xGF away from 97 and 29, meaning he tilts the ice more than Makar without Mackinnon. How on earth we're discussing trading a 25 year old top 10-15 Dman in this league is just insane to me.
Absolute stupidity. Some here want to trade him for picks. Not surprised though- oilers fans have never understood the position. Majority of oilers fans thought Paul Coffey was lazy because of his effortless skating (still one of the most beautiful skating stride I have ever seen).
 
Look he’s great no doubt but it’s not a surprise he has beautiful advanced stats. He has a team high offensive zone starts, team low defensive zone starts, plays most of his time with 1 or 2 of best players on earth and has Ekholm as a partner. There probably isn’t a player in the league set up better to put up juicy advanced stats.

The Paul Coffey like playoffs was mind blowing though.
He puts up the same numbers away from
McDavid and Draisaitl though. Ekholm’s numbers and analytics got a massive boost when he partnered with Bouchard.
 
He puts up the same numbers away from
McDavid and Draisaitl though. Ekholm’s numbers and analytics got a massive boost when he partnered with Bouchard.

I don't think enough people talk about this. The Oilers are a way better team when the two of them are on the ice.

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When I look at the CF%, Bouchard definitely plays better with Ekholm than without him but he's only 2.6% lower away from Ekholm.

Also, Ekholm has been more offensive with the Oilers and paired with Bouchard. In his last season with Nashville Ekholm had 18 points in 57 games. Pro-rated thats 26 over 82 games. The year prior it was 31 points in 76 games or 33.4 points over 82 games. Despite declining in age, his numbers have gone up with Edmonton with 81 points in 150 games for 44.28 points over 82 games.

Defensively with the Oilers Ekholm has seen an increase to a +92 over the past 150 games. Compare that to +33 in the past 181 games he had in Nashville.
 
Dustin Neilson has been running down Bouchard all season.

Bouchard apparently slapped him around at poker today. Cleaned him out and then RNH delivered the deathblow. Hilarious.

 
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Jesus Christ, what a stupid f***ing post. Stevens was a captain and a champion, one of the most feared guys to play the game and your comparison is Rempe. Wake up.
And if he hit like he did, he’d be kicked out of the league. half of his hits wouldn’t be legal today
 
Despite all his warts, the team almost won a Cup with Bouchard as the best non-McDrai Oiler. I'd keep him even though he pisses me off every game lol
 
Really? That’s very interesting.

I don’t doubt Ekholm also benefits hugely from playing with Bouchard.
No doubt. They both equally help each other.

I don't think enough people talk about this. The Oilers are a way better team when the two of them are on the ice.

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When I look at the CF%, Bouchard definitely plays better with Ekholm than without him but he's only 2.6% lower away from Ekholm.

Also, Ekholm has been more offensive with the Oilers and paired with Bouchard. In his last season with Nashville Ekholm had 18 points in 57 games. Pro-rated thats 26 over 82 games. The year prior it was 31 points in 76 games or 33.4 points over 82 games. Despite declining in age, his numbers have gone up with Edmonton with 81 points in 150 games for 44.28 points over 82 games.

Defensively with the Oilers Ekholm has seen an increase to a +92 over the past 150 games. Compare that to +33 in the past 181 games he had in Nashville.
Wow!

Despite all his warts, the team almost won a Cup with Bouchard as the best non-McDrai Oiler. I'd keep him even though he pisses me off every game lol
Oilers wouldn’t have made it to the finals without him.
 
There's a good chance Bouchard's performance in the playoffs this year, looks somewhat like last year. He's significantly hurt his future contract value with a subpar regular season in a contract year. It all might work out in the Oiler's favour wrt his AAV on a bridge deal
There's something bemusing about the notion that Bouchard is having a supbar regular season considering he's on pace for 60+ points, is playing 24 minutes a night against other teams best players and is what... +15 on the season?
 

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