Would you trade Bouchard?

[dem]

Anyone who thinks Paul Coffey would be a part of an Evan Bouchard trade is absolutely clueless.

 

[Sethual]

Also I know I came off a little mean last post but here lets use JFresh and his impeccable play cards that he can't even bother editing the years on the right hand side correctly here is the cherry picked 2024 stats for Evan: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDvC372XIAA1c4F.jpg:large

Wow! That type of player is f***ing awesome! Lets see how he is THIS year (keep in mind the season 2023-2025 doesn't make sense what the f***): https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GeDcBLeXUAALtUD?format=jpg&name=large

Look at the Defence. From a paltry 65% (we got destroyed in the finals thanks to his weaknesses) to a laughable 47%! He aint even a powerplay merchant this year with 12 PP points therefore 25 even strength points with 0 goals on the PP and 12 assists.

Makar has 56 points in 51 games but if you take away his 8 goals and 14 assists on the PP you are left with 34, which is greater than 25. We CAN replace Bouchard. Broberg is getting paid more than Bouchard at the moment and JFresh said "Broberg's lack of significant quantifiable progression since draft day has him projecting as a coin-flip to be a full-time NHLer and unlikely to have the upside of an 8th overall pick." so maybe his rating system is ass backwards r tarded but I can say for certain Bouchard is better playing for one of our enemies in the playoffs, so he can let his own team down and not ours.

Chill guy, but like I give a f*** about that.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

You obviously don’t make the trade currently and you likely need a fall back position.

It becomes more interesting if klingberg beats Bouchard out of his spot.

even at his absolute best, Klingberg was never as good as Bouchard. And that was six years and several surgeries ago.

The best version of Klingberg we could reasonably get here is 2021 Tyson Barrie.

Can’t help but think we can flip Bouchard for picks and flip those picks for Rasmus Anderson and Weegar lol

To whom? What picks? When?

Calgary, who wouldn't trade us Chris f***ing Tanev, is going to trade us their top pairing for futures just because?

some people need to pull their heads out of their asses, man.

 

[Bumblebee Man]

You mean in the game where he led the team in 5v5 TOI, had a 60% shot share, 70% chance share, and outscored the other team 2-1 when he was on the ice?

The only problem with Evan Bouchard is a bunch of you still think it's 1999.

You mean in the game where his giveaway lead to a goal. Then he had 3 other unforced giveaways that luckily didn't end up in grade As

Also, make no mistake, he was in no way responsible or had a hand in any of Edm goals last nite

Stop citing stats that are irrelevant and watch the game

He was bad last nite....end of story

 

[McDNicks17]

Also I know I came off a little mean last post but here lets use JFresh and his impeccable play cards that he can't even bother editing the years on the right hand side correctly here is the cherry picked 2024 stats for Evan: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDvC372XIAA1c4F.jpg:large

Wow! That type of player is f***ing awesome! Lets see how he is THIS year (keep in mind the season 2023-2025 doesn't make sense what the f***): https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GeDcBLeXUAALtUD?format=jpg&name=large

Look at the Defence. From a paltry 65% (we got destroyed in the finals thanks to his weaknesses) to a laughable 47%! He aint even a powerplay merchant this year with 12 PP points therefore 25 even strength points with 0 goals on the PP and 12 assists.

Makar has 56 points in 51 games but if you take away his 8 goals and 14 assists on the PP you are left with 34, which is greater than 25. We CAN replace Bouchard. Broberg is getting paid more than Bouchard at the moment and JFresh said "Broberg's lack of significant quantifiable progression since draft day has him projecting as a coin-flip to be a full-time NHLer and unlikely to have the upside of an 8th overall pick." so maybe his rating system is ass backwards r tarded but I can say for certain Bouchard is better playing for one of our enemies in the playoffs, so he can let his own team down and not ours.

Chill guy, but like I give a f*** about that.

It's 2023-2025 because he's using the stats from the beginning of last season until now rather than using the small sample size of part of a season.

You're also mistakenly reading his three year average as how he's doing this year.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Evan Bouchard's "down year" is him being on pace for 65 points while having NO PP goals (that will change for sure) and having a 55%+ xGF away from 97 and 29, meaning he tilts the ice more than Makar without Mackinnon. How on earth we're discussing trading a 25 year old top 10-15 Dman in this league is just insane to me.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

It's 2023-2025 because he's using the stats from the beginning of last season until now rather than using the small sample size of part of a season.

You're also mistakenly reading his three year average as how he's doing this year.

When one doesn't understand stats, one should probably not try to use stats as part of their argument.

 

[AM]

Evan Bouchard's "down year" is him being on pace for 65 points while having NO PP goals (that will change for sure) and having a 55%+ xGF away from 97 and 29, meaning he tilts the ice more than Makar without Mackinnon. How on earth we're discussing trading a 25 year old top 10-15 Dman in this league is just insane to me.

He looks like a keeper to me.

Perhaps needs to work abit on his focus.

 

[McFlash97]

Bouchard put up 114 points last season.

Let that soak in. 114 points.

Hes 25 years old. Why the hell are we trading him?

Bouchards defending has been atrocious this year and running the PP has also been below subpar. Necas is one of the fastest and talented 2 way forwards in Hockey who just turned 26. Added to a core with McDrai would give the Oilers an unstoppable forward core. Bring in another top 4 depth d man and let Klingberg run the PP and we still win the cup.

 

[guymez]

are you familiar with Darnell Nurse?

I am familiar with Darnell Nurse and the over inflated contract.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Bouchards defending has been atrocious this year and running the PP has also been below subpar. Necas is one of the fastest and talented 2 way forwards in Hockey who just turned 26. Added to a core with McDrai would give the Oilers an unstoppable forward core. Bring in another top 4 depth d man and let Klingberg run the PP and we still win the cup.

a top 4 dman and a depth dman are VERY different things.

Necas makes nearly twice what Bouchard does. You're then having to give up significant assets to acquire a top 4 dman, and no matter who you get that you could fit into the cap, the defence is worse.

Klingberg hasn't played an NHL game in a year. The ones he did play before that he was shit for several seasons before - worse than Bouchard has ever been. This isn't a plan to win a Cup. This is a plan to ensure we never get one.

 

[Bumblebee Man]

He processes the game to slowly, teams have figured it out and are pressing him.

This is just wrong on soo many levels.

Please, sincerely, please explain what the other teams are doing to make him struggle? I'm genuinely interested to know

 

[Da McBomb]

Evan Bouchard's "down year" is him being on pace for 65 points while having NO PP goals (that will change for sure) and having a 55%+ xGF away from 97 and 29, meaning he tilts the ice more than Makar without Mackinnon. How on earth we're discussing trading a 25 year old top 10-15 Dman in this league is just insane to me.

I think we are only discussing this topic because his contract is coming up. For all of you who are saying we are crazy talking about trading Bouch.. what is your maximum price point then for a new Bouchard contract before you say 'that is too high' and would consider trading him? Obviously he is not like McDavid and Draisaitl where he gets a blank cheque... so what is your limit? Would you be happy with a 8 year $11 million/year contract?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I am familiar with Darnell Nurse and the over inflated contract.

Good thing Bouchard isn't having a career year this year. And isn't pumping his numbers playing the bubble Ottawa Senators nine times.

"we once signed a player to a bad contract, can't possible sign anymore contracts" is a stupid argument.

 

[LTIR]

I am familiar with Darnell Nurse and the over inflated contract.

Give Nurse top unit PP time and he will get close to PPG. Doesn't make him a great Dman.
Bouchard of this season does not deserve a 10Mx8yr contract.

Good thing Bouchard isn't having a career year this year. And isn't pumping his numbers playing the bubble Ottawa Senators nine times.

"we once signed a player to a bad contract, can't possible sign anymore contracts" is a stupid argument.

It is not as stupid in cap world. Avs just couldn't fit in Rantanen at 14M and we just can't fit in Bouchard at 10M. He will be a punching bag here as soon as he inks the contract

 

[oXo Cube]

I think we are only discussing this topic because his contract is coming up. For all of you who are saying we are crazy talking about trading Bouch.. what is your maximum price point then for a new Bouchard contract before you say 'that is too high' and would consider trading him? Obviously he is not like McDavid and Draisaitl where he gets a blank cheque... so what is your limit? Would you be happy with a 8 year $11 million/year contract?

If it came to it, yeah I would.

Working around a pricey contract is a much better problem to have than trying to replace Bouchard's impact with an external add which is basically impossible and would cost a mountain of trade assets even if it's not.

 

[russ99]

What? The Oilers are one of the best defensive teams in the league under Knoblauch by just about every metric.
Knoblauch is the exact opposite of what you imagine he is.

There's a reason why Jeff Skinner gets scratched so much, there's a reason why guys like Emberson are out there at the end of games protecting leads, there's a reason why Podkolzin has stayed in the top 6, he's probably a part of the reason why Draisaitl is playing the best defensive hockey of his career. Knoblauch, moreso than any Oiler coach I can remember, preaches defense hard

If the metrics are causing you to think this, maybe stop looking at metrics that don't quantify defensive zone play without the puck.

And if you think hanging our goalies out to dry with blunders and coverage lapses by both forwards and defensemen that lead to multiple wide open uncontested chances is OK, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Remember when we traded Petry for a couple picks?

Yeah.

 

[guymez]

Good thing Bouchard isn't having a career year this year. And isn't pumping his numbers playing the bubble Ottawa Senators nine times.

"we once signed a player to a bad contract, can't possible sign anymore contracts" is a stupid argument.

Nice straw man.

Give Nurse top unit PP time and he will get close to PPG. Doesn't make him a great Dman.
Bouchard of this season does not deserve a 10Mx8yr contract.

I agree.
Nurse shouldnt be anywhere near the PP IMO. If he becomes a full time option on the PP then this team has a major problem.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Trading a 24 year old d man who has put up the most points in a playoff run all time, scored 80 points and this year has:
58% goals for
60% xG
59% SCF
58% HDCF

As well as the most successful
Zone exits on the team and 2 best at rush chances against while playing the other teams best lines would seem a bit stupid.

Good luck trying to replace that player

Look he’s great no doubt but it’s not a surprise he has beautiful advanced stats. He has a team high offensive zone starts, team low defensive zone starts, plays most of his time with 1 or 2 of best players on earth and has Ekholm as a partner. There probably isn’t a player in the league set up better to put up juicy advanced stats.

The Paul Coffey like playoffs was mind blowing though.

 

[Canovin]

Remember when we traded Petry for a couple picks?

Yeah.

Petry also didn't want to be an Oiler and MacT made the trade. I'm sure Bowman could have gotten more for Petry

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Remember when we traded Petry for a couple picks?

Yeah.

I don’t think anyone wants to trade Bouchard for a couple of picks.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Petry also didn't want to be an Oiler and MacT made the trade. I'm sure Bowman could have gotten more for Petry

MacT didn't like Petry so he sold him for magic beans.

Trusting Oilers management with assets is a really bad idea. That's why we lost those who shall not be named for next to nothing.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

If the metrics are causing you to think this, maybe stop looking at metrics that don't quantify defensive zone play without the puck.

And if you think hanging our goalies out to dry with blunders and coverage lapses by both forwards and defensemen that lead to multiple wide open uncontested chances is OK, I don't know what to tell you.

Edmonton allows the fewest number of high danger chances per game in the NHL.

Goalies need to stop dangerous chances. Edmonton allows less of them than anyone else.

I don’t think anyone wants to trade Bouchard for a couple of picks.

a poster literally just suggested trading Bouchard for a couple of picks and then using those picks to trade for defencemen.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Edmonton allows the fewest number of high danger chances per game in the NHL.

Goalies need to stop dangerous chances. Edmonton allows less of them than anyone else.


a poster literally just suggested trading Bouchard for a couple of picks and then using those picks to trade for defencemen.

Maybe I have him on ignore.

Edit : ahh nvm I see it