No. I would not trade him at this point in time.
Unless it gets us a crazy player like McDavid.
Unless it gets us a crazy player like McDavid.
Would you deal Fowler?
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Ideally not, and quite honestly, probably not.
Historically, returns for goalies are pretty underwhelming.
I also don't think Dobes is a 50+ games goalie.
Plan should be to ride both of them equally next season.
Historically, returns for goalies are pretty underwhelming.
I also don't think Dobes is a 50+ games goalie.
Plan should be to ride both of them equally next season.
But he won't be that valuable. It's all potential and he hasn't done anything in the NHL yet.
If you're going to trade Fowler, you need to let him up his value.
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I'm not opposed to it in principle but I don't think there's any real interesting 2C options where he'd be a primary piece in the trade. It just seems to be a flawed premise that we're sitting on Fowler who could turn into a 2C, that doesn't really seem plausible to me.
I don't think there's any rush to move either goalie. The NHL is mostly a tandem league now except for a small handful of elite starters and there will be plenty of games for both guys.
I don't think there's any rush to move either goalie. The NHL is mostly a tandem league now except for a small handful of elite starters and there will be plenty of games for both guys.
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This is like the worst time to trade him.
We actually need him and he’s still just a very good goalie prospect right now for anyone else but us. We won’t get the real value back of what it could be in 1 or 2 years from now. Unless major injury his value won’t go down either, he’s not supposed to be in the NHL already. He could play the whole year in Laval and he would keep the same status.
I can’t imagine a team is desperate enough to overpay for him and use him as #1 right away, in 1-2 years, they might tho
We actually need him and he’s still just a very good goalie prospect right now for anyone else but us. We won’t get the real value back of what it could be in 1 or 2 years from now. Unless major injury his value won’t go down either, he’s not supposed to be in the NHL already. He could play the whole year in Laval and he would keep the same status.
I can’t imagine a team is desperate enough to overpay for him and use him as #1 right away, in 1-2 years, they might tho
There are no untouchables really. If the offer is good, bye bye Fowler.
That being said, I wouldn't trade him unless we can get a top 15 pick for him or equivalent.
That being said, I wouldn't trade him unless we can get a top 15 pick for him or equivalent.
Trade him.
Goaltenders are worth nothing on the market, even good ones. His value is as high as it will ever get because of his prime prospect status.
People drink the Kool-Aid with him, hes not a savior and to be fair, no goaltenders are in this era. Maximize value.
Goaltenders are worth nothing on the market, even good ones. His value is as high as it will ever get because of his prime prospect status.
People drink the Kool-Aid with him, hes not a savior and to be fair, no goaltenders are in this era. Maximize value.
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I don't think any goaltender is a 60+ game goaltender. Hellyybucyk wanted to play like 60+ games which is likely why he has never been good in the playoffs. Worn out from too many games.
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If he has Askarov value? Yeah of course. We have Dobeš, and a backup goalie is found way more easily than a 2C, even if we have to add a bit to him.
A backup is one of the easiest pieces to add. He is far from untouchable.
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I hate questions like this. It depends massively on who the player is coming back.
Same as the... do you trade the 1st this draft. Depends on what the trade is
Same as the... do you trade the 1st this draft. Depends on what the trade is
Habs Halifax
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Monty is one of the better back-up qualities in the NHL. I know you probably hate him but in a back-up role, that is not a bad situation... as long as MSL doesn't flip it. What pissed me off was Dobes was riding a hot streak and then Olympic break. What does MSL do when we return? Starts Monty. MSL is too loyal IMO, he take too long to make the change.
To trade Fowler or not to trade Fowler has nothing to do with a back-up narrative. You don't hold up improving the team because of a back-up goalie situation.
You guys get so attached to players/the idea of players that you forget what the ultimate goal is.
Fowler doesnt take us closer to a cup than the value of Fowler added to our roster through trades.
Fowler doesnt take us closer to a cup than the value of Fowler added to our roster through trades.
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In would absolutely, 100% entertain trading Fowler if he could land us a key piece to our championship window.
He is so overrated on this board. I am not saying that he can't become a very good NHL goaltender, just that he is far from guaranteed to do so and Dobes looks like he might be the real deal. I don't trust undersized goalies for the most part, especially in the playoffs where they take a ton of contact and just don't cover enough space when deflections and screen shots make it through.
He is listed at 6'1" from his draft year but he declined to be measured at the combine which should tell you all you need to know and he simply looks small in the net. I suspect he is around the 6'0" mark which is very small by NHL standards. We have a very deep pool of young goalies and to anoint him as our future Cup contending goalie is a stretch especially with the way that Dobes is developing. Are we really going to hold on to a guy who very well may just be our back up goalie and not even see the ice in future playoff games when we can acquire a difference maker to help us win those games?
I totally get the excitement of developing draft picks but this board is very biased towards our prospects and certainly out of touch with reality when it comes to their respective value.
He is so overrated on this board. I am not saying that he can't become a very good NHL goaltender, just that he is far from guaranteed to do so and Dobes looks like he might be the real deal. I don't trust undersized goalies for the most part, especially in the playoffs where they take a ton of contact and just don't cover enough space when deflections and screen shots make it through.
He is listed at 6'1" from his draft year but he declined to be measured at the combine which should tell you all you need to know and he simply looks small in the net. I suspect he is around the 6'0" mark which is very small by NHL standards. We have a very deep pool of young goalies and to anoint him as our future Cup contending goalie is a stretch especially with the way that Dobes is developing. Are we really going to hold on to a guy who very well may just be our back up goalie and not even see the ice in future playoff games when we can acquire a difference maker to help us win those games?
I totally get the excitement of developing draft picks but this board is very biased towards our prospects and certainly out of touch with reality when it comes to their respective value.
Without making this a question about Dobes VS Fowler at all, people underestimate the importance of a quality tandem in the NHL nowadays.
We've moved on from 65+ games played by starters and the rest for backups.
Having a solid tandem rather than a strong #1 G and a so-so backup is the difference between being firmly established as a playoff team and fighting for a wildcard spot in the last month of te season, IMHO.
AND, that's all without injuries to your starter, in the 65+ game scenario! We swain the playoffs, how opponents were running Dobes freely, for example...
On top of that, a tandem of Dobes - Fowler, once we've moved Montembeault's 3.15M is a huge Cap advantage for Montreal as it tries to add skilled depth.
Next year, Dobes is still signed at 965K while Fowler rings in at around 945K, with up to 500K in potential bonuses.
Dobes is still a RFA when he needs to be extended and Fowler has a final year at 945K (+ 500Kin potential bonuses).
Being a RFA and having a solid backup as competition puts a downward pressure on Dobes next contract. The same for Fowler once he needs to be extended as a RFA in a backup role.
Keeping the G cost under 2M next season, under 6M the following season and, hopefully, under 8.5M total for a long while, plus having an injury insurance via the quality of both goaltenders is a huge Cap advantage for Montreal heading forward as the rising Cap will swallow up the rising G cost that remains, ultimitaley, under control.
We need shy away from the Price goalie cost model and keep flexibility to add/retain talent both up front and on the back end.
I don't use Fowler as a trade chip because od the comparable value between having cost-controlled talent in front of the pipes VS the limited return for a G in a trade scenario.
It doesn't mean that Dobes is not good, or worthy of a #1 G title, but a tandem Dobes - Fowler has more value to the Habs than riding Dobes alone.
We've moved on from 65+ games played by starters and the rest for backups.
Having a solid tandem rather than a strong #1 G and a so-so backup is the difference between being firmly established as a playoff team and fighting for a wildcard spot in the last month of te season, IMHO.
AND, that's all without injuries to your starter, in the 65+ game scenario! We swain the playoffs, how opponents were running Dobes freely, for example...
On top of that, a tandem of Dobes - Fowler, once we've moved Montembeault's 3.15M is a huge Cap advantage for Montreal as it tries to add skilled depth.
Next year, Dobes is still signed at 965K while Fowler rings in at around 945K, with up to 500K in potential bonuses.
Dobes is still a RFA when he needs to be extended and Fowler has a final year at 945K (+ 500Kin potential bonuses).
Being a RFA and having a solid backup as competition puts a downward pressure on Dobes next contract. The same for Fowler once he needs to be extended as a RFA in a backup role.
Keeping the G cost under 2M next season, under 6M the following season and, hopefully, under 8.5M total for a long while, plus having an injury insurance via the quality of both goaltenders is a huge Cap advantage for Montreal heading forward as the rising Cap will swallow up the rising G cost that remains, ultimitaley, under control.
We need shy away from the Price goalie cost model and keep flexibility to add/retain talent both up front and on the back end.
I don't use Fowler as a trade chip because od the comparable value between having cost-controlled talent in front of the pipes VS the limited return for a G in a trade scenario.
It doesn't mean that Dobes is not good, or worthy of a #1 G title, but a tandem Dobes - Fowler has more value to the Habs than riding Dobes alone.
I have trouble following your reasoning.
On one hand, for you,Fowler is over-rated and isn't all that good, or even guaranteed be good.
On the other hand, Fowler would enable us to land a key piece to our championship window.
It's just another case of, "Please, don't tell anyone else just how bad he is because I think we can sucker someone into giving up the world for this kid" scenario.
Sonewhat flawed...
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Come on, I never said that he is not a good prospect or that he is bad, I just pointed out that he is not very projectable as a #1 goaltender on a championship team given comparable profiles. I also did not rule him out as a possibility to fill such a profile.
I also never claimed that he could fetch such a player, I was responding to a hypothetical question that asked if I would make such a deal if it was offered. Hence my opening sentence.
Why do you struggle so badly to digest context and consistently grossly misinterpret me?
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As much as I love Doby I have this unnecessary feeling that he can’t keep up what he’s been doing
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