Would the Devils consider trading Schneider?

[glenwo2]

Only read the thread title(none of the posts) so :


NO!

 

[TheUnseenHand]

He's exactly what the Blues need? Lol. He's exactly what 97% of the teams in the league need. He's a top 3 or 5 goalie.

Something around Tarasenko would make me consider it, even though I have 0 faith in Kinkaid as a full time starter. I think he's a very good career backup at best.

 

[glenwo2]

(okay....now I read the posts and this caught my attention) :

I'd trade him for scoring in a heartbeat, but Lou never will.

Thank god you're not the GM then. Otherwise, we'd be in real trouble.


The Devils hallmark has always been DEFENSE AND GOALTENDING. To have Lou give up one-half of that.....it would have to be an IMMENSE Over-payment; one that I don't see transpiring anywhere.

 

[217 Forever]

(okay....now I read the posts and this caught my attention) :



Thank god you're not the GM then. Otherwise, we'd be in real trouble.


The Devils hallmark has always been DEFENSE AND GOALTENDING. To have Lou give up one-half of that.....it would have to be an IMMENSE Over-payment; one that I don't see transpiring anywhere.

Just to be a pain in the rear (which I'm pretty good at lol), what does the way we've had success in the past have to do with what's best for us now, or is that even the best way to go about things in 2015? When you have Marty, Stevens, and Niedermayer, etc. it's easy to say "let's do it that way again"! It's a different league now. Every single team plays defense and most have good goaltending. If you can score you have a HUGE advantage.

 

[OmNomNom]

but it's hard to find elite goaltending. very hard. and considering the cap hits we'd be taking on, could we even find a decent goaltender and offer them enough money to join?

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

Just to be a pain in the rear (which I'm pretty good at lol), what does the way we've had success in the past have to do with what's best for us now, or is that even the best way to go about things in 2015? When you have Marty, Stevens, and Niedermayer, etc. it's easy to say "let's do it that way again"! It's a different league now. Every single team plays defense and most have good goaltending. If you can score you have a HUGE advantage.

that's just not true.

i'm not going to sit here and preach to you that cory is a top 5 tender (you've made it clear that we'll just go in circles), but if you trade him for anything less than tarasenko, you're nuts.

 

[Captain Lou]

Look at Carey Price and Jake Allen last night and tell me elite goalies don't matter. And for the record, Price hadn't done diddley-squat in the playoffs until now so there goes the playoff performer argument. Except that Price has been elite for a number of years now or else Canada wouldn't have chosen him to be their goalie in Sochi.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

The Canadians have a chance because of Price. The rags might have been in trouble against the freaking Pens without Lundqvist. Allan lost the series for St. Louis. The hamburglar put the Sens in a hole they couldn't get out of.

If you want to succeed in the playoffs you need good goaltending. It's arguably the most important factor. Good and stable. No goalie controversies. Now you can argue that the Devils are so far from being competitive that trading Schneider for futures might be the most beneficial thing for the future of the team. That Schneider best years will be wasted here anyway. That's fair. But Lou will never ever think that way.

 

[Oneiro]

Can you really win the cup without your goaltender stealing a few?

Even Niemi and Crawford had to play over their heads and that's with the deepest team in the league in front of both.

 

[Tundra]

Possibly. We really don't need Cory Schneider. We lose plenty with him in goal.

 

[Tundra]

I'd be willing to take Barbashev and Schwartz for starters.

 

[Tundra]

Unless Tarasenko is coming the other way... no

Tarasenko is worth much more than Schneider. Look at their ages and positions. Tarasenko is a potential Rocket Richard candidate at the tender age of 23.

 

[217 Forever]

Look at Carey Price and Jake Allen last night and tell me elite goalies don't matter. And for the record, Price hadn't done diddley-squat in the playoffs until now so there goes the playoff performer argument. Except that Price has been elite for a number of years now or else Canada wouldn't have chosen him to be their goalie in Sochi.

So yesterday proves one side and one side only? Allen played poorly yesterday. He played ok the rest of the series. Price played poorly in Game 5. He made up for it yesterday. How far did Philly get in 2010 with Michael Leighton (a career scrub). At the very least can we at least agree that there is more than one way to skin a cat? My argument is that goaltending in the playoffs is important of course, but that it can come from any source, you won't know it until it happens, and you can't just assume that regular season success will translate over. You guys keep thinking that I'm tearing down Cory when I'm really pumping up the other goalies around the NHL and just how good they are for the most part. Pre-2012 playoffs Jonathan Quick was just another good young goalie. Look where is today.

 

[Rhodes 81]

Not for anything short of a young forward with demonstrated success playing top line minutes in the NHL (so from the Blues, Tarasenko).

Since I'm guessing that's a non-starter, no.

 

[Tundra]

Not for anything short of a young forward with demonstrated success playing top line minutes in the NHL (so from the Blues, Tarasenko).

Since I'm guessing that's a non-starter, no.

Schwartz makes more sense for both teams. And he just compiled 63 points this past season.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

How have the Flyers done since that run? Before?

I get your point. In reality you need a solid team at all positions. If you are really strong in one position, though, you might be able to get by without being great in the other. The Devils are set for years in goal and on D. If they can make a few savvy trades and draft the hell out of forwards they may be able to be contenders without a top 5 offense. If you trade Schneider you won't get an offensive player back that will make as big an impact as Schneider does in goal. That's the problem. So then you have a slightly better offense, a good D, and a scrub goalie. If that goalie gets hot maybe you can go on a run, but if he doesn't you're just going to be a middling team forever.

 

[Tundra]

How have the Flyers done since that run? Before?

I get your point. In reality you need a solid team at all positions. If you are really strong in one position, though, you might be able to get by without being great in the other. The Devils are set for years in goal and on D. If they can make a few savvy trades and draft the hell out of forwards they may be able to be contenders without a top 5 offense. If you trade Schneider you won't get an offensive player back that will make as big an impact as Schneider does in goal. That's the problem. So then you have a slightly better offense, a good D, and a scrub goalie. If that goalie gets hot maybe you can go on a run, but if he doesn't you're just going to be a middling team forever.

IMHO Goalies are a dime a dozen. Take Minnesota for example that has gone through 4 or 5 goalies and still managed to get out of the first round of the playoffs for the last couple seasons.

 

[Tundra]

Just to be a pain in the rear (which I'm pretty good at lol), what does the way we've had success in the past have to do with what's best for us now, or is that even the best way to go about things in 2015? When you have Marty, Stevens, and Niedermayer, etc. it's easy to say "let's do it that way again"! It's a different league now. Every single team plays defense and most have good goaltending. If you can score you have a HUGE advantage.

See this past Pitt/NYR series.

 

[217 Forever]

How have the Flyers done since that run? Before?

I get your point. In reality you need a solid team at all positions. If you are really strong in one position, though, you might be able to get by without being great in the other. The Devils are set for years in goal and on D. If they can make a few savvy trades and draft the hell out of forwards they may be able to be contenders without a top 5 offense. If you trade Schneider you won't get an offensive player back that will make as big an impact as Schneider does in goal. That's the problem. So then you have a slightly better offense, a good D, and a scrub goalie. If that goalie gets hot maybe you can go on a run, but if he doesn't you're just going to be a middling team forever.

Fair enough. And btw, Carey Price, who is generally considered the #1 goalie now, is exactly .500 in his playoff career (23-23), and his career playoff GAA/SVPCT before this series was 2.63/.913. Those figures just got a little better, but it just helps prove my point about assuming regular season success automatically means great playoff success.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

IMHO Goalies are a dime a dozen. Take Minnesota for example that has gone through 4 or 5 goalies and still managed to get out of the first round of the playoffs for the last couple seasons.

Minny has an exceptional defense. Their defense is probably the best left in the playoffs.

 

[glenwo2]

Minny has an exceptional defense. Their defense is probably the best left in the playoffs.

Exactly. Funny how this is so understated.

 

[GhostofKenKlee]

If goalies were indeed "dime a dozen" commodity, then teams like St. Louis/Philadelphia and other teams would of won a few cups by now.

Let's not dismiss one of the Devils greatest strengths because it doesn't fit your Devils bashing as Devils fans.

 

[hockeyr5]

I'd move him if Tarasenko was involved.

 

[Tundra]

If goalies were indeed "dime a dozen" commodity, then teams like St. Louis/Philadelphia and other teams would of won a few cups by now.

Let's not dismiss one of the Devils greatest strengths because it doesn't fit your Devils bashing as Devils fans.

I read a recent draft analysis piece stating that half of the current starting goaltenders in the NHL were drafted outside the 2nd round and lower (including a swath of UFAs). NHL goaltenders are the NFL equivalent of running backs with unpredictable paths and different development schedules. In comparison, high end forwards and top 2 defensemen are much harder to acquire.

 

[Cheddabombs]

Thankfully HF-land isn't the real world, and Lou won't trade the arguable top 5 goalie he just signed long-term.