Would an all-time team Germany be enough for them to compete for gold in best on best?

[OKR]

Easily 7th spot, close to czechs probably

While i’d rank them as 7th too, it’s still closer to all time Swiss and Germany all time teams than Czech all time team imo.

 

[Bure80]

Anton Stastny - Peter Stastny - Marian Stastny
Gaborik - Demitra - Bondra
Satan - Stumpel - Hossa
Tatar - Handzus - Palffy

Chara - Visnovsky
Svehla - Sekera
Mezaros - Jurcina

Halak
Budaj

Was fan of the Golden Generation. Slovakian names are the best.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Who is the classic 7th nation?

slovakia ofc, from 1994 to 2010 they where top nation

 

[Goodman68]

I don't know if I understand it well (translator ..), but the Czechs are interpreted here as the sixth best nation of all time (best roster). If so, maybe it belongs higher. They had a very strong period when they were the main competitor of Red Machine (of course I know that professionals from overseas did not play against them at the time), then they had a very strong period with Hašek, Jágr, Elias, Hejduk, etc .. Victory at the Olympics and then a golden hattrick at the championship of the world.
Maybe he ranks higher in the rankings.

 

[Zenos]

I don't think they have a real chance.

Even if we're taking the absolute peak version of Ollie the Goalie, that's still a pretty weak roster. Draisaitl and Kühnackl provide some firepower up front, but the likes of Dominic Kahun, Hecht, or Draisaitl sr. really aren't top-calibre players in a best-on-best tournatment. And that defence really doesn't stack up to the top nations.

Obviously in a winner-takes-all tournament, anything is possible but they would absolutely need Kölzig to steal them games.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Canada absolutly smoke them, USA, Sweden, Russia and Finland stomp them too I think.
Draisatl would be a huge problem for anyone of course, but those teams are way too much stacked.

 

[ES]

Anton Stastny - Peter Stastny - Marian Stastny
Gaborik - Demitra - Bondra
Satan - Stumpel - Hossa
Tatar - Handzus - Palffy

Chara - Visnovsky
Svehla - Sekera
Mezaros - Jurcina

Halak
Budaj

Was fan of the Golden Generation. Slovakian names are the best.

Apart from Anton and Marian Stastny, Vladimir Dzurilla deserves mention of Czechoslovakia era players who never had chance to represent Slovakia. As will Jozef Golonka.

Nedomansky was born in current Czech Republic but represented Slovan Bratislava for majority of his European career. But I think he counts as Czech if only one nationality is granted per player.

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

I understood the question to mean Germany's all-time roster vs everyone else's *current* roster. I don't know if everyone else did. Within those parameters I don't think they could compete for the gold medal, but depending on the draw I wouldn't consider a semifinal appearance out of question.

 

[Bure80]

P/GP for the best Bundesliga players since the 70's . I compared these stats to Hiemers, who was the only player of that generation with a solid NHL stint (3 seasons 84 - 87).

Uli Hiemer born 1962
BL/DEL NHL
0,80....... 0,51

Erich Kühnhackl born 1950
BL.. NHL
1,89 ???

Gerd Truntschka born 1958
BL .. NHL
1,70. ???

Dieter Hegen 1962
BL/DEL NHL
1,36 ........ ???

 

[canuck2010]

Not a hope in hell and I don't mean any disrespect to German hockey which continues to improve by leaps and bounds. Only one player would be considered for Team Canada, perhaps two if you count Kolzig who is really a Canadian. Beyond that the depth just isn't close. If you look at the lines listed by the time you get to the second line it's all over. Sort of like Canada playing Germany in the World Cup final Alphonso Davies aside.

 

[jcs0218]

Not a hope in hell and I don't mean any disrespect to German hockey which continues to improve by leaps and bounds. Only one player would be considered for Team Canada, perhaps two if you count Kolzig who is really a Canadian. Beyond that the depth just isn't close. If you look at the lines listed by the time you get to the second line it's all over. Sort of like Canada playing Germany in the World Cup final Alphonso Davies aside.

Draisaitl in hockey for Germany is like Davies in soccer for Canada.

Remove each one from their teams, and you see the difference in talent levels between Canada and Germany in their respective sports.

 

[ForumNamePending]

I think the team would be competitive. They certainly wouldn't be among the favorites, but I also don't think sneaking away with a medal would be out of the question... Having a real tough time envisioning a gold medal though.

Having a team filled top to bottom with high end NHL level talent is preferable, but history has shown it isn't a prerequisite to play deep into a "best-on-best" tournament.

 

[Zenos]

Not a hope in hell and I don't mean any disrespect to German hockey which continues to improve by leaps and bounds. Only one player would be considered for Team Canada, perhaps two if you count Kolzig who is really a Canadian. Beyond that the depth just isn't close. If you look at the lines listed by the time you get to the second line it's all over. Sort of like Canada playing Germany in the World Cup final Alphonso Davies aside.

Kölzig grew up in Canada (NS, Edmonton, and northern BC) - and is definitely a product of Canada's minor and junior system. But he's not Canadian.
Fun fact: he was initially selected to Canada's world junior squad in '89 - but they ultimately had to rescind because he wasn't (and still isn't) a Canadian citizen.

 

[mattihp]

Finland has never won an olympic gold and iced teams equivalent or better than that.

 

[mattihp]

I don't think they have a real chance.

Even if we're taking the absolute peak version of Ollie the Goalie, that's still a pretty weak roster. Draisaitl and Kühnackl provide some firepower up front, but the likes of Dominic Kahun, Hecht, or Draisaitl sr. really aren't top-calibre players in a best-on-best tournatment. And that defence really doesn't stack up to the top nations.

Obviously in a winner-takes-all tournament, anything is possible but they would absolutely need Kölzig to steal them games.

Hecht could play near-selke level defense for a forward on a more talented line. Marcel Goc should not be on a scoring line for a good team though..

 

[Bure80]

Marcel Goc should not be on a scoring line for a good team though..

Truntschka would be my 2 line C. He was by far the better scorer in Germany. Even if the level of league was a bit higher to Goc's time maybe and Truntschka played longer in the league in his prime. There is a to big gap in the stats.

Truntschka 1,7 P/GP >>>>> Goc 0,45 P/GP

 

[mattihp]

Truntschka would be my 2 line C. He was by far the better scorer in Germany. Even if the level of league was a bit higher to Goc's time maybe and Truntschka played longer in the league in his prime. There is a to big gap in the stats.

Truntschka 1,7 P/GP >>>>> Goc 0,45 P/GP

Yep, I would go that way or just play Draisaitl on the first line and Kühnhackl on the second

Sturm - Draisatl - Stützle
Hecht - Kühnhackl - Hegen
Rieder - Truntschka - McKay
Soccio - Goc/Kahun - Kühnhackl

Would be so much better, more balance.

 

[lamini]

While i’d rank them as 7th too, it’s still closer to all time Swiss and Germany all time teams than Czech all time team imo.

Czechs all time are higher than 6th, only two teams that are clearly above them are Canada and Russia/Soviets

For 6th place (all time) their competiton would be Finland

 

[Bure80]

Yep, I would go that way or just play Draisaitl on the first line and Kühnhackl on the second

Sturm - Draisatl - Stützle
Hecht - Kühnhackl - Hegen
Rieder - Truntschka - McKay
Soccio - Goc/Kahun - Kühnhackl

Would be so much better, more balance.

Looks much better. Even i wouldnt split Truntschka and Hegen. They played together throughout their career.

Sturm - Draisaitl - Stützle
Hecht - Kühnhackl - Schloder
Rieder - Truntschka - Hegen

 

[OKR]

Czechs all time are higher than 6th, only two teams that are clearly above them are Canada and Russia/Soviets

Nope. Finland and Czech both might have a case for 5th but neither of them are passing USA and Sweden plus the two obvious ones you mentioned. Finland has to be the 5th because for over a decade now they’ve spanked Czechs at every level.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Czechs all time are higher than 6th, only two teams that are clearly above them are Canada and Russia/Soviets

For 6th place (all time) their competiton would be Finland

How is Czech all-time team better than Sweden all time team?

Markus Näslund - Peter Forsberg - Henrik Zetterberg
Mats Näslund - Mats Sundin - Håkan Loob
Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - Daniel Alfredsson
Thomas Steen - Kent Nilsson - Tomas Sandström

Nicklas Lidström - Börje Salming
Kenny Jönsson - Erik Karlsson
Victor Hedman - Mattias Öhlund

Henrik Lundqvist
Tommy Salo
Pelle Lindbergh

 

[MaxV]

Nope. Finland and Czech both might have a case for 5th but neither of them are passing USA and Sweden plus the two obvious ones you mentioned. Finland has to be the 5th because for over a decade now they’ve spanked Czechs at every level.

All Time team? No, no offense to Finn's, but Czech's All Time team is LOADED.

Even Slovak's all time time is pretty loaded, especially if you are counting Stastny Bros.

 

[MaxV]

How is Czech all-time team better than Sweden all time team?

Markus Näslund - Peter Forsberg - Henrik Zetterberg
Mats Näslund - Mats Sundin - Håkan Loob
Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - Daniel Alfredsson
Thomas Steen - Kent Nilsson - Tomas Sandström

Nicklas Lidström - Börje Salming
Kenny Jönsson - Erik Karlsson
Victor Hedman - Mattias Öhlund

Henrik Lundqvist
Tommy Salo
Pelle Lindbergh

If you compare purely from NHL career's then obviously Sweden is better, but just like Russia, Czech's have been producing great players before 1990. Yes, some were able to defect and play in NHL, but mostly when they were past their primes.

 

[OKR]

All Time team? No, no offense to Finn's, but Czech's All Time team is LOADED.

Even Slovak's all time time is pretty loaded, especially if you are counting Stastny Bros.

Czech were loaded for like 3 years in turn of the millenium, they’re not better all time team than Finland, Sweden, USA, Russia and Canada, there really isn’t even a argument to be made for them.

 

[lamini]

Nope. Finland and Czech both might have a case for 5th but neither of them are passing USA and Sweden plus the two obvious ones you mentioned. Finland has to be the 5th because for over a decade now they’ve spanked Czechs at every level.

And before that Czechs spanked them (Finland) for over 60 years. Right now Czechs are nowhere near Finland, but there's over 100 years of hockey and Czechs were competitive (atleast compared to other european nations) for most of that time, Finland joined top nations much later.

Comparing them to Sweden...depends how you rank players that had to stay behind Iron Courtain.