Worst Habs trade in the last 15 years

Which one of these trades you would consider the worst in the last 15 years?

  • Dvorak for 1st round pick + 2nd round pick

    Votes: 7 1.8%
  • Drouin + 6th round pick for Sergachev + 2nd round pick

    Votes: 201 51.3%
  • Shaw for 2nd round pick + 2nd round pick

    Votes: 2 0.5%
  • Cammalleri + Ramo + 4th round pick for Bourque + Holland + 2nd round pick

    Votes: 3 0.8%
  • Gomez + Pyatt + Busto for McDonagh + Higgins + Janik + Valentenko

    Votes: 174 44.4%
  • Others

    Votes: 5 1.3%

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LaP

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No it's not. I remember it pretty well. He was underwhelming at the WJC in 09. The same WJC were Subban and Tavares dominated. You don't get to rewrite history. His 08-09 season was average. There was still hope for him, but it looked bleak compared to Subban
But who said that? Can you link an article written by someone neutral outside saying he was not a good prospect? I persoanlly liked McDo and thought he would develop as a solid two way guy.

You know people said the same thing about Sergachev when he was traded. He was not good bla bla bla. This made no sense since he was one of the youngest winner of the OHL dman of the year. Yet most people around here proclaimed he was not a good prospect. Sergachev was also underwhelming at the u20.
 

GrandBison

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You do remember both McDonagh's and Higgins's stock were quite low too? Both of them had underwhelming seasons in 08-09, to say the least. Weak WJC. Average season. Subban was regarded as a can't miss prospect while McDonagh became a hopeful. People act like McDonagh was some sureshot prospect. He wasn't. His stock was at an all-time low.

I wish I could bring back threads from jan to june 09.
Ath the end, pro scouting under Gainey was probably the major problem... Niinimaa, Gomez, Tanguay, Samsonov... It was buy High&Sell low strategy and with that team, few good trades could have changed everything...
 
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But who said that? Can you link an article written by someone neutral outside saying he was not a good prospect? I persoanlly liked McDo and thought he would develop as a solid two way guy.

Sure me too. I was here at the time. I remember the posts, what people we're saying. I liked him too, but his 08-09 was indeed average.

I'm sure other people can chime in. I'm sure I'm not the only who remembers the 09 U20. Sure I'm not the only who remembers there were doubts about McD because of that average season.

You know people said the same thing about Sergachev when he was traded. He was not good bla bla bla. This made no sense since he was one of the youngest winner of the OHL dman of the year. Yet most people around here proclaimed he was not a good prospect. Sergachev was also underwhelming at the u20.

But here's the difference, Sergachev did have a strong season before getting traded. Not McD.
 
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The Gomez trade had so much context around it too.

Dumbass Molson had just bought the team days earlier, so you knew he wasn't going to rebuild at a time when the team absolutely needed to rebuild.

It kept the Habs just mediocre enough to make the playoffs and stay in no man's land.

It was one of the very worst contracts in the league. It was brutal the day he signed it and NY fans actively wanted him gone by that point. He basically signed for the same cap% as Matthews did. Imagine signing Gomez this summer for like 12M$. Disgusting.

A lot of people thought he would be given away, instead Gainey gave up one of the three best prospects in the organization.

Everyone and their dog knew they would be in on Gaborik. So on top of ridding themselves of Gomez, getting their future captain, it also allowed a conference rival to sign a premium forward.

What a brutal trade.

The thing is, Drouins trade also had a lot of context around it. Man does it suck to have had so many bad GMs.
You know your in trouble when it’s difficult to choose from so many malodorous trades in an effort to determine which one was the worse. After that litany of fiascos one can readily see why today’s fans are easily sceptical of any trade the current management engineers. Its going to take a Stanley Cup for most fans to regain their trust of the Team’s Management decision making.
 
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LaP

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Sure me too. I was here at the time. I remember the posts, what people we're saying. I liked him too, but his 08-09 was indeed average.

I'm sure other people can chime in. I'm sure I'm not the only who remembers the 09 U20. Sure I'm not the only who remembers there were doubts about McD because of that average season.
oh i don't question the fact people were saying he was a bad prospect. I just personally don't think there's any reality where a just turned 20 years old 12th overall pick should be consideered a bad prospect. He had an underwhelming year for sure but the sample size was too small to write him off at this point imo. Had he been 21-22-23 with bad AHL numbers yeah sure.

And as i said it was my opinion back then that we should not have acquired gomez even for free as at the salary he was paid he neeeded to be a perennial 70+ points center (minimum) which he never was in is career. He was a Koivu like player with a career year in 2005-2006. Personally it is my opinion that career years should always be ignored when evaluating a player.
 
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oh i don't question the fact people were saying he was a bad prospect. I just personally don't think there's any reality where a just turned 20 years old 12th overall pick should be consideered a bad prospect. He had an underwhelming year for sure but the sample size was too small to write him off at this point imo. Had he been 21-22-23 with bad AHL numbers yeah sure.

And as i said it was my opinion back then that we should not have acquired gomez even for free as at the salary he was paid he neeeded to be a perennial 70+ points center (minimum) which he never was in is career. He was a Koivu like player with a career year in 2005-2006. Personally it is my opinion that career years should always be ignored when evaluating a player.

I didn't say bad prospect. I said people doubted him. People here who saw the WJC and followed the prospects were raving about Subban and rightfully so, as PK had a strong season and great U20. McD was not a blue chip at that point.
 

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McD trade for me. That trade was the start of the smurf era 24.0 after getting Gomez then signing Cammy and Gio. It was painful to watch McD be the number 1 dman for the Rangers. What sucks even more is that the Habs lost twice to the Rags in the playoffs while McD was the guy, smh. Serg trade was garbage too. It was borderline funny to watch both McD & Serg when Tampa destroyed Montreal in the finals.
 

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Ath the end, pro scouting under Gainey was probably the major problem... Niinimaa, Gomez, Tanguay, Samsonov... It was buy High&Sell low strategy and with that team, few good trades could have changed everything...
Tanguay was a good player, only problem was injuries
A shame Briere didnt come here. Nor Sundin. Or Lecavalier.
like I said earlier, Briere would at least save the Gomez trade (and he was better then Gomez). Adding Briere to that 2007-08 team would have been cool too (and he would‘t have been a major factor why we lost in 2008 and 2010)
 
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McD trade for me. That trade was the start of the smurf era 24.0 after getting Gomez then signing Cammy and Gio. It was painful to watch McD be the number 1 dman for the Rangers. What sucks even more is that the Habs lost twice to the Rags in the playoffs while McD was the guy, smh. Serg trade was garbage too. It was borderline funny to watch both McD & Serg when Tampa destroyed Montreal in the finals.
That was a bad trade but nobody expected McDo to become what he is today. As if the Habs didn't learn from their mistakes, they went on and pulled another blunder by throwing away the towel on another first round D. I think the second trade hurts the most.
 

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It's a close one for me between the Sergachev trade and the McDonagh trade.

I McDonagh because he so far has been the more impactful player, and who knows what that core of Price-McDonagh-Subban-Pacioretty-Markov would have done. They got to the conference finals without McDonagh and only lost when Price was knocked out by Kreider.

But Gomez had a much bigger impact than Drouin. He allowed us to get Cammalleri and Gionta and go to the conference finals also. Albeit that was with an older core that soon faded.


Drouin is worse than Gomez. But so far McDonagh is better than Sergachev.

Plus, we were lucky with Gomez that the NHL instituted that one time buyout. If not dragging Gomez's albatross and higher contract around under a much lower cap would have made dragging Drouin's contract these past few years look like a walk in the park.
Yup, both were pretty up there in awfulness. Agree with your reasoning, our core back then was as strong as it got.
Imagine adding prime McDonagh to it + whoever we could have gotten instead of Gonez. Many potential good runs with added benefit of protecting Price a bit better with a stronger D core.

But who knows, Sergachev would have been nice to have rather than MIA Drouin for our 2021 run and would still help around.

It comes down to which era it's hurt the most, really though to say.
 

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Drouin for me, just because management had so many red flags to see and ignored them.
 
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Ath the end, pro scouting under Gainey was probably the major problem... Niinimaa, Gomez, Tanguay, Samsonov... It was buy High&Sell low strategy and with that team, few good trades could have changed everything...
Gauthier was doing that, wasn’t he? Can’t remember.
 

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I don't know how you can argue this is not the Gomez trade. The guy was on the downswing AND a high salary (7.36 M AAV) that ate 14.6% of the cap. McDavid eats 16.7% lol. He was decent for 1 year. And McDonagh became McDonagh. Plus Higgins was still a useful player too.
He was decent for half a year. He saved his season around christmas. December 21st he had 18 points in 34 games which was a pace of 43 points over 82 games which was quite bad for a guy paid nearly as much as McJesus is now. Then he had 9 points in 5 games during the christmas period.
 

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Yup, both were pretty up there in awfulness. Agree with your reasoning, our core back then was as strong as it got.
Imagine adding prime McDonagh to it + whoever we could have gotten instead of Gonez. Many potential good runs with added benefit of protecting Price a bit better with a stronger D core.
But who knows, Sergachev would have been nice to have rather than MIA Drouin for our 2021 run and would still help around.
It comes down to which era it's hurt the most, really though to say.
Not only do you add Sergachev to our lineup but you also remove him from TB's lineup. He was their 3rd best dman and was not paid much back then which helped them a lot. When they traded Drouin they had to get someone who did not need protection so they had to trade him for a kid. It's not certain that if traded to another team the kid returning would have developed like Sergachev did.

An important thing people forget in that trade is we traded a protection slot. We were one of the few team with too many protection slots. We even protected Jordie Benn because we did not have enough good players to protect even after acquiring Drouin which was a complete joke. We were in a position of strength in that trade by a mile. We basically wasted a great opportunity to fleece a GM. We should have target Shea Theodore hard instead of Drouin.
 

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The Gomez trade had so much context around it too.

Dumbass Molson had just bought the team days earlier, so you knew he wasn't going to rebuild at a time when the team absolutely needed to rebuild.

It kept the Habs just mediocre enough to make the playoffs and stay in no man's land.

It was one of the very worst contracts in the league. It was brutal the day he signed it and NY fans actively wanted him gone by that point. He basically signed for the same cap% as Matthews did. Imagine signing Gomez this summer for like 12M$. Disgusting.

A lot of people thought he would be given away, instead Gainey gave up one of the three best prospects in the organization.

Everyone and their dog knew they would be in on Gaborik. So on top of ridding themselves of Gomez, getting their future captain, it also allowed a conference rival to sign a premium forward.

What a brutal trade.

The thing is, Drouins trade also had a lot of context around it. Man does it suck to have had so many bad GMs.
Didn't remember that was the case but that's the one constant behind those terrible trades. Things really started going downhill from there when you look back on it, though there was the added pressure for the centennial back then when we should've hopefully kept building for a bit longer after the 2007 draft yield.

But yeah, really sucks having bad gms but they were all selected/influenced by the same terrible owner. Still can't believe the media hyping Molson acquiring the team back then as a "back to the glorious tradition of the team" and so on. Really looks bad after the last decade of piss poor management and direction.
 
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You know your in trouble when it’s difficult to choose from so many malodorous trades in an effort to determine which one was the worse. After that litany of fiascos one can readily see why today’s fans are easily sceptical of any trade the current management engineers. Its going to take a Stanley Cup for most fans to regain their trust of the Team’s Management decision making.
Maybe not a Cup but it would be nice to avoid those absolute stinkers when trading players.
So far so good but as you say, I get people being skeptical of trades done by this management until furtther demonstration.

So far so good in terms of the Dach, Monahan, Matheson and maybe Newhook deals, but nothing to write home about (yet) either.

The real test will come when we'll be in more agressive improvement mode. Most of what was dealt thus far were low-ceiling pieces, but Hughes will have to be judicious in who his targets are and who he lets go in the process. We've passed on PLD, no scandal there, but who will we end up getting? That'll be the make or break of this regime.
 

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Maybe not a Cup but it would be nice to avoid those absolute stinkers when trading players.
So far so good but as you say, I get people being skeptical of trades done by this management until furtther demonstration.

So far so good in terms of the Dach, Monahan, Matheson and maybe Newhook deals, but nothing to write home about (yet) either.

The real test will come when we'll be in more agressive improvement mode. Most of what was dealt thus far were low-ceiling pieces, but Hughes will have to be judicious in who his targets are and who he lets go in the process. We've passed on PLD, no scandal there, but who will we end up getting? That'll be the make or break of this regime.
Good asset management, whether in drafting, trading of players or in free agency spending makes or breaks all regimes.
 

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I don't know how you can argue this is not the Gomez trade. The guy was on the downswing AND a high salary (7.36 M AAV) that ate 14.6% of the cap. McDavid eats 16.7% lol. He was decent for 1 year. And McDonagh became McDonagh. Plus Higgins was still a useful player too.
Yeah there’s too much ‘recency bias’ going on. That Gomez trade was insane.

Why we had to add ANYTHING to acquire a cap dump of the worst contract in the league is mind-boggling.

McDo was a great D man. For a couple years he was pretty up there. His stock wasn’t crazy high when we traded him but there was ZERO need to give him up.

People hate Bergevin to such a degree yet they don’t realize Gainey’s trades were worse. I think that horrible tragedy was a big part of it because he wasn’t doing too bad before it. But my god, I am pretty shocked that people think the Drouin trade was worse.

He was decent for half a year. He saved his season around christmas. December 21st he had 18 points in 34 games which was a pace of 43 points over 82 games which was quite bad for a guy paid nearly as much as McJesus is now. Then he had 9 points in 5 games during the christmas period.
He was good in the playoffs too. But still lol worse than the Drouin trade
 

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Not only do you add Sergachev to our lineup but you also remove him from TB's lineup. He was their 3rd best dman and was not paid much back then which helped them a lot. When they traded Drouin they had to get someone who did not need protection so they had to trade him for a kid. It's not certain that if traded to another team the kid returning would have developed like Sergachev did.

An important thing people forget in that trade is we traded a protection slot. We were one of the few team with too many protection slots. We even protected Jordie Benn because we did not have enough good players to protect even after acquiring Drouin which was a complete joke. We were in a position of strength in that trade by a mile. We basically wasted a great opportunity to fleece a GM. We should have target Shea Theodore hard instead of Drouin.
The idea was to get a forward and more specifically a C. Drouin had tremendous potential at the time.

Sergachev has been a Top PP, 3rd pair guy for years. He really had trouble against any decent toughness of opposition. Brisebois 2.0. But the difference with TB vs. Habs development, TB rightfully brought him along very very slowly. So last year his play popped. For the first time he was able to drive play against decently tough opposition.

It took him 6,5 years though, in an incredible team know for development.

Before that he was Brisebois 2.0.

I’m convinced he would have never achieved his last pop had he been in a habs jersey; Habs have screwed up many and developed few.

Had Drouin been somewhere else, he would have been much better. He wouldn’t have lost a year trying to learn C, etc.
 

Sam de Mtl

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There is an old saying in hockey: it’s better to trade a player one year too early than one year too late. In Subban’s case, we traded him several years too late. Once he decided to bulk up, he lost the dynamic skating ability that made him one of league’s best and most exciting players. He was unable to avoid the forecheck and was often reduced to just flipping the puck out of our zone. With the loss of his mobility, he became a largely static playe, and it was the reason he was rarely chosen for Team Canada. We traded one diminishing asset for another. The delay in trading Subban robbed us of an opportunity to maximize our return on a well established reputation.
That's an interesting point of view.

I don't know that this narrative had caught on at that point in time. Among fans or GMs. Afterall, he had a few very good, nearly Norris level seasons with Nashville before dropping like a stone.

I feel like this was a situation where the player was dealt at the appropriate time.

I am not sure we would have received more earlier, unless we factor in the fact he did not have a massive contract before... But you can't always trade your players while they are on their ELCs or first smaller contracts...
 

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