Worst Habs trade in the last 15 years

[JianYang]

The Cammy trade was incredibly rushed and petty. Gauthier of course trying to cover his ass by saying the deal had been in the works for months, but somehow pulled the trigger between periods of a game and for a suspended player.

I voted Drouin though. The McDonagh trade was pretty bad, but at least Gomez was better than Drouin, although that's pretty faint praise.

Gomez got on a bit of a roll once Markov got in the lineup. The problem was that big ticket guys like Gomez are expected to take the wheel rather than rely on certain guys to pad their stats.

Aside from that, Markov barely played during the Gomez years, which was unfortunate.

When you look at cap percentage eaten up, you can easily argue Gomez was worse, not to mention that mcdonagh was a very solid 1D in new York and Higgins, though declining, was still serviceable.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Pretty strongly disagree with the takes in this thread about Sergachev being better than McDonagh. I have it the other way around and I don't think it's close. Even an early 30s past his prime McDonagh was given a bigger role at even strength than Sergachev when they were teammates in Tampa.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Gomez got on a bit of a roll once Markov got in the lineup. The problem was that big ticket guys like Gomez are expected to take the wheel rather than rely on certain guys to pad their stats.

Aside from that, Markov barely played during the Gomez years, which was unfortunate.

When you look at cap percentage eaten up, you can easily argue Gomez was worse.

I disagree. Drouin couldn't even maintain a roster spot for half his time here.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Gomez got on a bit of a roll once Markov got in the lineup. The problem was that big ticket guys like Gomez are expected to take the wheel rather than rely on certain guys to pad their stats.

Aside from that, Markov barely played during the Gomez years, which was unfortunate.

When you look at cap percentage eaten up, you can easily argue Gomez was worse, not to mention that mcdonagh was a very solid 1D in new York and Higgins, though declining, was still serviceable.

I disagree. The deal slants even more in favor of Gomez when you factor in we dumped the useless Higgins in the trade and got an effective 3rd liner in Pyatt.

They are both bad trades but the Gomez trade at least had some redeeming qualities. The Drouin trade had none.

 

[Colezuki]

I don't think the Shaw trade is in the same stratosphere as Gomez or Drouin, in both those cases they gave up Prospects who went on too have phenomenal Careers (or at least the start of one) for players whose offensive game never came in the market.

Shaw trade can only be the worst if everytime we gave up a 2nd/3rd or 4th and the player became nothing that those are the best because we got something of value for zero

I disagree. The deal slants even more in favor of Gomez when you factor in we dumped the useless Higgins in the trade and got an effective 3rd liner in Pyatt.

They are both bad trades but the Gomez trade at least had some redeeming qualities. The Drouin trade had none.

Pyatt was absolutely not an effecitve 3rd liner, he was a 4th liner at best

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

It's a close one for me between the Sergachev trade and the McDonagh trade.

I McDonagh because he so far has been the more impactful player, and who knows what that core of Price-McDonagh-Subban-Pacioretty-Markov would have done. They got to the conference finals without McDonagh and only lost when Price was knocked out by Kreider.

But Gomez had a much bigger impact than Drouin. He allowed us to get Cammalleri and Gionta and go to the conference finals also. Albeit that was with an older core that soon faded.


Drouin is worse than Gomez. But so far McDonagh is better than Sergachev.

Plus, we were lucky with Gomez that the NHL instituted that one time buyout. If not dragging Gomez's albatross and higher contract around under a much lower cap would have made dragging Drouin's contract these past few years look like a walk in the park.

That core didn't fade. It lost its MVP for the next two seasons. Who had the biggest turnaround when Markov returned at the end of 09? Gomez. Then Markov got injured, again, for long. If Markov stays healthy, Gomez doesn't go under as quickly imo, which would've given a much different perspective. 41pts in 45 games when Markov was there.

 

[Colezuki]

I don't think the Shaw trade is in the same stratosphere as Gomez or Drouin, in both those cases they gave up Prospects who went on too have phenomenal Careers (or at least the start of one) for players whose offensive game never came in the market.

Shaw trade can only be the worst if everytime we gave up a 2nd/3rd or 4th and the player became nothing that those are the best because we got something of value for zero


Pyatt was absolutely not an effecitve 3rd liner, he was a 4th liner at best

To build this out even further,

for Vanek we traded a 2nd and colberg to the islanders. The islanders then packaged a bunch of picks to draft Josh Ho-Sang, whose done nothing and Collberg who never made it out of the AHL.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

I don't think the Shaw trade is in the same stratosphere as Gomez or Drouin, in both those cases they gave up Prospects who went on too have phenomenal Careers (or at least the start of one) for players whose offensive game never came in the market.

Shaw trade can only be the worst if everytime we gave up a 2nd/3rd or 4th and the player became nothing that those are the best because we got something of value for zero


Pyatt was absolutely not an effecitve 3rd liner, he was a 4th liner at best

Sure, but that still tips the scale.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Gomez got on a bit of a roll once Markov got in the lineup. The problem was that big ticket guys like Gomez are expected to take the wheel rather than rely on certain guys to pad their stats.

Aside from that, Markov barely played during the Gomez years, which was unfortunate.

When you look at cap percentage eaten up, you can easily argue Gomez was worse, not to mention that mcdonagh was a very solid 1D in new York and Higgins, though declining, was still serviceable.

It wasn't stat padding, though. Thry had chemistry and it worked. You just dont go 0.50ppg to 0.91ppg by simply stat padding. IIRC, he had 17 points in his first 35 games, then when Markov came back, 41 in 45.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

That core didn't fade. It lost its MVP for the next two seasons. Who had the biggest turnaround when Markov returned at the end of 09? Gomez. Then Markov got injured, again, for long. If Markov stays healthy, Gomez doesn't go under as quickly imo, which would've given a much different perspective. 41pts in 45 games when Markov was there.

Can't we argue the opposite then? Drouin didn't really get to play with a talent like Markov on D?

The argument that Gomez brought in a certain noteriety to the team and allowed Gionta/Cammalleri was always a lie us fans told ourselves. Gionta got the best offer after Kovalev played hard ball with management. Gomez had one good year and that's it. Team also gave away Higgins who was also serviceable (he was on the Canucks in their SCF run IIRC). Gomez was also overpaid like crazy and impact was only minimized thanks to the compliance buyout as mentioned by others.

 

[MXD]

Small, soft wingers the Habs were full of.

Decent centres the Habs lacked.

David Desharnais, who made 7.5 millions less than Gomez, made the center line "decenter" when he outplayed Gomez for the same position and essentially meant Gomez was done in Montreal.

 

[Miller Time]

As bad as the Drouin trade was, recency bias is the only thing I can imagine explaining how it's even close

 

[MXD]

That core didn't fade. It lost its MVP for the next two seasons. Who had the biggest turnaround when Markov returned at the end of 09? Gomez. Then Markov got injured, again, for long. If Markov stays healthy, Gomez doesn't go under as quickly imo, which would've given a much different perspective. 41pts in 45 games when Markov was there.

What you're saying is, the 8+M center needed the 5.5 M D-Men to be remotely worth his paycheck.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Can't we argue the opposite then? Drouin didn't really get to play with a talent like Markov on D?

Not every player goes ppg playing with Markov...

The argument that Gomez brought in a certain noteriety to the team and allowed Gionta/Cammalleri was always a lie us fans told ourselves. Gionta got the best offer after Kovalev played hard ball with management. Gomez had one good year and that's it. Team also gave away Higgins who was also serviceable (he was on the Canucks in their SCF run IIRC). Gomez was also overpaid like crazy and impact was only minimized thanks to the compliance buyout as mentioned by others.

I never argued that.

 

[MXD]

As bad as the Drouin trade was, recency bias is the only thing I can imagine explaining how it's even close

That, and not understanding how really, really good McDonagh was.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

What you're saying is, the 8+M center needed the 5.5 M D-Men to be remotely worth his paycheck.

Ever heard of chemistry?

 

[MXD]

Ever heard of chemistry?

Yeah. Mostly as an excuse raised ex-post facto to support some very stupid shit.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Yeah. Mostly as an excuse raised ex-post facto to support some very stupid shit.

Players don't gain half a ppg just out of Markov matching

 

[Le Barron de HF]

Not every player goes ppg playing with Markov...



I never argued that.

Didn't say you did but was tackling that point that's been brought up a couple times already, sorry for confusion.

 

[Kaladin]

I don't think the Shaw trade is in the same stratosphere as Gomez or Drouin, in both those cases they gave up Prospects who went on too have phenomenal Careers (or at least the start of one) for players whose offensive game never came in the market.

Shaw trade can only be the worst if everytime we gave up a 2nd/3rd or 4th and the player became nothing that those are the best because we got something of value for zero


Pyatt was absolutely not an effecitve 3rd liner, he was a 4th liner at best

People might have the Shaw trade up there because Chicago got Debrincat out of it. A 40 goal scorer in the NHL. But obviously no guarantee we would have drafted him if we kept the picks.

 

[ZUKI]

Which of these trades would you consider the worst in the last 15 years?

Before anyone ask why I included the Shaw trade in the polls......that's because one of the pick the Habs gave up was used to draft Debrincat.

cool !!!
A thread where we can shit on someone, and whine about all those bad trades !
We were missing so much that kind of opportunities !

 

[Toene]

Drouin takes the cake but that Dvorak trade is also horrible.

 

[Shad]

This poll shows the average age posting here.

Drouin trade was bad but come on, the Gomez era was an absolute nightmare as a fan

 

[HuGort]

The Shaw trade is horrible, as is the Serg trade. The Subban/Weber trade pissed me off the most, but the worst is definitely the Gomez trade.

Did get some back in Gomez trade. Habs desperate for center at time led to that mistake. Sundin, Vinny L. bunch of others wouldn't come here. Helped Gainey make that mistake

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

David Desharnais, who made 7.5 millions less than Gomez, made the center line "decenter" when he outplayed Gomez for the same position and essentially meant Gomez was done in Montreal.

In Gomez's 3rd and final season with the Habs. In his first season Gomez was pretty solid

Drouin was just another small, soft winger from the get go. A player the Habs didn't need when the trade was made, or at any point in his career with the Habs.

He sucks with Colorado, he's out of the league.

Both players suck, Drouin was just a player this team has never needed.