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Worst first round picks

Daniel Dore went 5th in 1988 by the Nordiques and played 17 NHL games

Roenick went 8th, Brind'Amour 9th and Selanne went 10th.

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In the context of what the OP wanted, Dore perhaps doesn't fit since he wasn't considered a reach at the time. He's had a nice second career as a scout, usually he's the one credited with the Bruins taking Patrice Bergeron in 2003.

That draft was before my time, but one anecdote that I read after the fact was that the Devils were confident that one of Selanne-Roenick-Brind'Amour would be there for them at #12 only to see them go 8-9-10.
 
How much of a reach could Sylvain Turgeon be? He had 163 pts in juniors in 1983, compared to Yzerman's 91. Genuine question.
It was really Lafontaine that was the shocker at the time. The Isles were picking #3 and the consensus was that Lafontaine would go #1 or #2 worst case. The Isles were at #3 and it seemed like there was zero chance Lafontaine would be available, but Emile Francis took Turgeon at #2 instead of Lafontaine for some reason.

In their draft year in the QMJHL:

Turgeon 163 points LW;

Lafontaine 234 points C.

It was a reach statistically, by position (winger over C) and per the scouting consensus.
 
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Marek Schwarz for the Blues, drafted him 17th overall, think he might of played like 5 NHL games and was just brutal.
 
Assuming injuries dont derail Quinns career i think he ends up the better more impact full player. His skillset has way more runway to hit his peak. His shot can beat NHL goalies clean. Rossi is getting shopped right now for a reason they are trying to sell high after spending half the year with Kaprizov inflating His stats. Tremendous hockey sense but his physical abilities just limit him so much. He is tiny and below average in speed.

When you look at that draft how do you choose Quinn over Holtz as the terrible draft pick? Quinns production is way better and he has shown more upside.
Redraft + 5 years by nhl.com

Rossi 9
Quinn 22
 
Pavel Brendl was highly touted, went 4th overall in 1999 and ended up playing 78 games in the NHL
The raw hotdogs man!

All teams have a long list of questionable picks.

But the blackhawks 2000 draft they had 2 interesting first round picks. Their GM had a fixation with Russians and with 10th and 11th over the took two Russians that I had seen play and did not understand why they were taken so high. Yakubov and Voribiev. Both were built for European hockey. But Smith the Hawks GM had a well know love of Russia. But 2000 is an example of a shit draft
 
Redraft + 5 years by nhl.com

Rossi 9
Quinn 22
Great. I wouldn't take Rossi. These players are 22 and 23 years old. He rode Kaprizov. Finished on the 4th line for a reason. Anyone can read stats, thats the thing about hf. There's a few people that have had enough exposure to the game that actually can use an eye test. Then theres the rest who dont watch or dont really know what they are watching.

You still haven't answered why you have Quinn here and not Holtz. We can all wait. But you know your original comment was garbage. You just wont admit it.
 
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Michael Dal Colle (#5), Jake Virtanen (#6), Nick Ritchie (#10) and Brandon Gormley (#13) - a collection of guys who may not have been the worst at the time, but they all ended up playing with Iserlohn Roosters of the German league in the past 18 months, which is oddly impressive to me.
 
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Great. I wouldn't take Rossi. These players are 22 and 23 years old. He rode Kaprizov. Finished on the 4th line for a reason. Anyone can read stats, thats the thing about hf. There's a few people that have had enough exposure to the game that actually can use an eye test. Then theres the rest who dont watch or dont really know what they are watching.

You still haven't answered why you have Quinn here and not Holtz. We can all wait. But you know your original comment was garbage. You just wont admit it.
It's incredible how much nerve you have to criticize the opinions of people whose job it is to watch NHL games. Who are you to say these guys are frauds who only look at stats?

Maybe you watch the games, but your perspective isn't necessarily effective.

I'll come back to talk about the contracts signed this summer. Rossi will have a higher contract than Quinn. That's for sure. He's probably in much higher demand on the phone.

When an entire system rates Rossi above Quinn and quite significantly so after 5 years, the smart thing would be to rethink itself.

Besides, I already explained to you that I compiled the list based on my perspective on day D of the draft and that it wasn't a redraft.

In 2020, I saw Quinn after the 20th pick (I had him 26th). It's normal that I thought the pick was a waste with an 8th-place selection, especially in the context of Buffalo. Askarov would have been the optimal choice according to my reading at the time. Then it was Lundell. Jarvis and Guhle followed.

If I distort the subject by taking into account what the players have become, my list is no longer the same at all. Still, it doesn't change anything in my assessment of Quinn's choice at number 8 : missed.
 
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Michael Dal Colle (#5), Jake Virtanen (#6), Nick Ritchie (#10) and Brandon Gormley (#13) - a collection of guys who may not have been the worst at the time, but they all ended up playing with Iserlohn Roosters of the German league in the past 18 months, which is oddly impressive to me.
Virtanen was because of off ice issues no?
 
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Michael Dal Colle (#5), Jake Virtanen (#6), Nick Ritchie (#10) and Brandon Gormley (#13) - a collection of guys who may not have been the worst at the time, but they all ended up playing with Iserlohn Roosters of the German league in the past 18 months, which is oddly impressive to me.
A bit off topic but man, I still have no idea how Gormley didn't pan out. Heading into that draft year he seemed like he had everything you want a top 4 dman to have in his game. IIRC a lot of analysts looking at dmen in that draft had things Fowler-Gormley as clear 1 and 2 for the position. In the end it wasn't a strong defensive year to say the least (2nd best dman take is probably Justin Faulk) but Gormley being a miss is still confusing.
Virtanen was because of off ice issues no?
work ethic and lack of hockey IQ as well IIRC
 
What happened to this kid

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From another thread, some indication that he got lazy after his rookie season. Joffrey Lupul mentioned on a podcast that the organization didn't really help out Chistov/Smirnov as they came over not knowing a word of English. Anaheim had some other Russians/Soviets on the roster but perhaps they had their own things going; Sergei Fedorov signed for 2003-04 but he was more in party mode than mentor mode.

I remember going to a Ducks game in the 2003-04 season and they had one of those video packages during a TV timeout where they asked players various questions. That game it was players saying which teammate had the worst car and it concluded with somebody saying Chistov because he didn't own a car. I can only imagine the adjustment to North America was a challenge especially if he was struggling with the language.
 
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