GDT: World Juniors 2024-25

Memento

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You are just salty Canada lost, Štancl 4th liner my ass, he is middle 6er at worst more likely top6 power forward. You played like goons and you´ve lost like goons and if Mrtka, Bádinka and Benák were there, you would get completely annihilated.

Um...the hell? I meant it as a compliment; I had not thought a lot of Stancl as an NHL player period before I saw him play in World Juniors. I'm far from a Canada fan (USA FTMFW, St. Louis born, bred, and raised).

I stated why I thought they'd be an excellent fourth line, unless, of course, you think Stancl is beating out Kyrou, Snuggerud, and Bolduc for a top nine spot on the right wing, Thomas, Dvorsky, and Stenberg at center, or Buchnevich, Holloway, and Neighbours at left wing?

Also, just because they're on the fourth line doesn't make them fourth liners; we could easily roll four lines like Vegas does.

Unless you pay attention to the Blues, how about you don't assume shit about me, please and thank you?
 
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PocketNines

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I am having a difficult time keeping Snuggy ranked above Stancl in my current rankings. Snuggy is just holding his spot down. But Stancl being a center and his 200' game and details already where they are, he is doing that awesome thing where a prospect just levels up right in front of you, that's why we watch Blues prospects during their development between the draft and NHL. You know the presents you're getting!

Like, I'm just comfortable with him on the ice, and I think coaches must be. He generates so much, he is in everything. His hands are so damn quick for such a big player. That shot, it feels like it could go in every time almost. Sale is their most dynamic force pushing the offense but Stancl is such bread and butter for them it's ridiculous. His points I think are going to take off in the second half of his season here with Cristall, who is an absurd, absurd Canadian WJC omission.

Stancl is a middle 6er on a good team, like a strong 3C, possible 2C
 

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I am having a difficult time keeping Snuggy ranked above Stancl in my current rankings. Snuggy is just holding his spot down. But Stancl being a center and his 200' game and details already where they are, he is doing that awesome thing where a prospect just levels up right in front of you, that's why we watch Blues prospects during their development between the draft and NHL. You know the presents you're getting!

Like, I'm just comfortable with him on the ice, and I think coaches must be. He generates so much, he is in everything. His hands are so damn quick for such a big player. That shot, it feels like it could go in every time almost. Sale is their most dynamic force pushing the offense but Stancl is such bread and butter for them it's ridiculous. His points I think are going to take off in the second half of his season here with Cristall, who is an absurd, absurd Canadian WJC omission.

Stancl is a middle 6er on a good team, like a strong 3C, possible 2C
Drooling over a possible Stenberg - Stancl - Neighbours/Bolduc 3rd line in a couple of years.
 

Frenzy31

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Um...the hell? I meant it as a compliment; I had not thought a lot of Stancl as an NHL player period before I saw him play in World Juniors. I'm far from a Canada fan (USA FTMFW, St. Louis born, bred, and raised).

I stated why I thought they'd be an excellent fourth line, unless, of course, you think Stancl is beating out Kyrou, Snuggerud, and Bolduc for a top nine spot on the right wing, Thomas, Dvorsky, and Stenberg at center, or Buchnevich, Holloway, and Neighbours at left wing?

Also, just because they're on the fourth line doesn't make them fourth liners; we could easily roll four lines like Vegas does.

Unless you pay attention to the Blues, how about you don't assume shit about me, please and thank you?

When has Stenberg played center? I was under the impression he has been playing wing?

I see him as a solid 3rd line center or part of a trade for a top end forward.
 

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I haven't gotten to watch much of Jiricek - I suppose nobody has seen much of his game lately - he's obviously still VERY raw, but there's a lot to like in his game. He plays much bigger than he is, both in the sense of his physical engagement and his overall ranginess. Very cerebral game, and has more deceptiveness with the puck than any d-man we've had in our system in a long time.

Aside from staying healthy, his physical maturing seems like it's the key cog in unlocking, or improving his downstream skills. That's kind of stating the obvious when it comes to a defensive prospect, but in the case of Jiricek, if he had more power/strength on his edges, it would eliminate a lot of the other deficiencies in his game. The thing I've noticed most is he can be a bit choppy responding to lateral pressure; however, he's quick enough that he can make up for that more times than not.

I suspect in the mens league, that issue combined with still being lanky (therefore easy to bump off the puck) put him in a spot where he was forcing or behind on plays. He's got a good frame - I'm optimistic these are deficiencies he can round out.

I am having a difficult time keeping Snuggy ranked above Stancl in my current rankings. Snuggy is just holding his spot down. But Stancl being a center and his 200' game and details already where they are, he is doing that awesome thing where a prospect just levels up right in front of you, that's why we watch Blues prospects during their development between the draft and NHL. You know the presents you're getting!

Like, I'm just comfortable with him on the ice, and I think coaches must be. He generates so much, he is in everything. His hands are so damn quick for such a big player. That shot, it feels like it could go in every time almost. Sale is their most dynamic force pushing the offense but Stancl is such bread and butter for them it's ridiculous. His points I think are going to take off in the second half of his season here with Cristall, who is an absurd, absurd Canadian WJC omission.

Stancl is a middle 6er on a good team, like a strong 3C, possible 2C
Feels like Stancl is a guy that's going to be able to truly drive a 3rd line, whereas Snuggy's future with the Blues is almost certainly tied to how much chemistry he can generate with Thomas. If he can't be a 30+ guy on Thomas's wing, he instead becomes a middle-6 luxury.

Not to play line-maker this far out, but, Dvorsky and Kyrou's games compliment each other rather well (obviously, in a vacuum). Having Kyrou on that 2nd line is and has been an offensive accelerant that I suspect Monty keeps leaning into. Also, the 'OZ wheeling' play that Kyrou likes -and is pretty damn good at- is practically tailor made for someone like Dvorsky. Point being - having two triggermen and a guy in Kyrou who can masquerade as a sniper all on the same line borders on the absurd.

Snuggy has a well rounded game, but I don't see a future in which we keep a guy with that much offensive upside on the 3rd line. If it doesn't work with Thomas, I think it's likely he gets packaged while the value is still there. We have to find that sniper for Thomas, whichever prospect ends up being the biggest luxury is almost assuredly getting packaged if it's not someone internal.

Stancl, by contrast, is someone with a much broader range of outcomes.
 

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I haven't gotten to watch much of Jiricek - I suppose nobody has seen much of his game lately - he's obviously still VERY raw, but there's a lot to like in his game. He plays much bigger than he is, both in the sense of his physical engagement and his overall ranginess. Very cerebral game, and has more deceptiveness with the puck than any d-man we've had in our system in a long time.

Aside from staying healthy, his physical maturing seems like it's the key cog in unlocking, or improving his downstream skills. That's kind of stating the obvious when it comes to a defensive prospect, but in the case of Jiricek, if he had more power/strength on his edges, it would eliminate a lot of the other deficiencies in his game. The thing I've noticed most is he can be a bit choppy responding to lateral pressure; however, he's quick enough that he can make up for that more times than not.

I suspect in the mens league, that issue combined with still being lanky (therefore easy to bump off the puck) put him in a spot where he was forcing or behind on plays. He's got a good frame - I'm optimistic these are deficiencies he can round out.
I plan to watch more on the CHL network where Stancl, Burns, Pekarcik, Mrsic, Jecho, etc all play. Lot to like but he needs some seasoning. Needs work on D positionally but at that age who doesn’t?
 

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if Stancl doesn’t get traded by his junior team, then can’t he play for the Thunderbirds after his season is over? He is in his 19 year-old season.
That sounds right.

Stancl was one of the ‘23 draft class that intrigued me the most. Him and Pecarcik. Now we are starting to see what Stancl can be.
 

Memento

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When has Stenberg played center? I was under the impression he has been playing wing?

I see him as a solid 3rd line center or part of a trade for a top end forward.

Thought he played a bit of both in juniors?

I could see him as a middle-six center (only third line because we have Thomas and Dvorsky), or perhaps Holloway goes to the third line at center and Stenberg is our second line left wing (or even first-line when Buchnevich eventually slows down). I'm not picky with the choices available.

I hate to agree with PocketNines, given that I have him blocked (and I don't agree with putting Stancl above Snuggerud as of yet; Snuggerud's at least playing against grown men, is closer to the NHL, and is acquitting himself well. This is also the first time that Stancl's really been driving the play; Cristall has been the main playdriver on his line with Kelowna and hot damn, did the Capitals get a steal where he went.), but I agree on this much; I wouldn't trade Stenberg because of how much he reminds me of a Schwartz/Steen lovechild, and I don't think Steen's going to trade him for similar reasons.
 
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Thought he played a bit of both in juniors?

I could see him as a middle-six center (only third line because we have Thomas and Dvorsky), or perhaps Holloway goes to the third line at center and Stenberg is our second line left wing (or even first-line when Buchnevich eventually slows down). I'm not picky with the choices available.

I hate to agree with PocketNines, given that I have him banned (and I don't agree with putting Stancl above Snuggerud as of yet; Snuggerud's at least playing against grown men, is closer to the NHL, and is acquitting himself well. This is also the first time that Stancl's really been driving the play; Cristall has been the main playdriver on his line with Kelowna and hot damn, did the Capitals get a steal where he went.), but I agree on this much; I wouldn't trade Stenberg because of how much he reminds me of a Schwartz/Steen lovechild, and I don't think Steen's going to trade him for similar reasons.
Cristall I doubt will ever be a regular NHL player. Step slow and small, but it works in juniors. Another Rattie. I think Stancl’s been driving a lot more as the year progressed as he is hard to knock off the puck. He knows how to use his size to his advantage. Fun to watch
 

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Cristall I doubt will ever be a regular NHL player. Step slow and small, but it works in juniors. Another Rattie. I think Stancl’s been driving a lot more as the year progressed as he is hard to knock off the puck. He knows how to use his size to his advantage. Fun to watch

Step slow and small, but damn, if he isn't a playmaker with a great shot and skilled with the puck on his stick. Offensively alone, I could see a career for him. He and Stancl work like a well-oiled machine; Kelowna also has Tig Iginla, and Cristall is outproducing him and driving the play more than him.

Believe me, I've become a believer in Stancl becoming an NHL player after the World Juniors. Again, using one's size in juniors is using one's size in juniors; it's what some players never learn. I wanted to see him play against more powerful peers, and he exceeded every one of my expectations.

And saying he'd be on the fourth line? Not an insult to me when - were I the Blues - I'd run out four lines that can win with skill and physicality, like Vegas did for their Stanley Cup, like we did for ours.
 

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Step slow and small, but damn, if he isn't a playmaker with a great shot and skilled with the puck on his stick. Offensively alone, I could see a career for him. He and Stancl work like a well-oiled machine; Kelowna also has Tig Iginla, and Cristall is outproducing him and driving the play more than him.

Believe me, I've become a believer in Stancl becoming an NHL player after the World Juniors. Again, using one's size in juniors is using one's size in juniors; it's what some players never learn. I wanted to see him play against more powerful peers, and he exceeded every one of my expectations.

And saying he'd be on the fourth line? Not an insult to me when - were I the Blues - I'd run out four lines that can win with skill and physicality, like Vegas did for their Stanley Cup, like we did for ours.

It is what we did when we won the cup. 4th line played hard minutes and scored timely goals
 

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I love to rank. Christopher Nolan's Memento (2000) is the most brilliant unreliable narrator neo noir I have ever seen. It's 15 overall on my all time top 100 list. The story is about an entitled protagonist who entitles themself into an endless series of attacks they think is justified behavior. They even get a cop to help them, it's perfection
 
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I love to rank. Christopher Nolan's Memento (2000) is the most brilliant unreliable narrator neo noir I have ever seen. It's 15 overall on my all time top 100 list. The story is about an entitled protagonist who entitles themself into an endless series of attacks they think is justified behavior. They even get a cop to help them, it's perfection
Robb K that you???
 

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Step slow and small, but damn, if he isn't a playmaker with a great shot and skilled with the puck on his stick. Offensively alone, I could see a career for him. He and Stancl work like a well-oiled machine; Kelowna also has Tig Iginla, and Cristall is outproducing him and driving the play more than him.

Believe me, I've become a believer in Stancl becoming an NHL player after the World Juniors. Again, using one's size in juniors is using one's size in juniors; it's what some players never learn. I wanted to see him play against more powerful peers, and he exceeded every one of my expectations.

And saying he'd be on the fourth line? Not an insult to me when - were I the Blues - I'd run out four lines that can win with skill and physicality, like Vegas did for their Stanley Cup, like we did for ours.
Former Blues pick kyle Reaves scored 89 goals in the WHL and never scored 20 in the old IHL. Don’t get me wrong. Cristall can really light the lamp at that level. Was invisible and a non factor at the U18s. Smallish and not a great skater. That COULD change. Cristall is smart.

Stancl is an example of that. MUCH improved that part of his game. He has made more strides than any Blues prospect I remember recently and that is an X factor. What is his trajectory? From my viewings, a Dvo, Pekarcik, and Stancl line would totally suck to play against and could be a formidable 2nd or 3rd line. Dvo for whatever reason doesn’t like to carry the puck in the neutral zone. Both Stancl and Pekarcik will drive in those zones. Honestly if you could roll 4 formidable lines….is that a problem? The best blues teams usually had balanced scoring.
 
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This tourney has been my first good look at Stancl and he reminds me of a discount middle 6 Getzlaf.. To clarify - I'm in NO WAY saying that he will even be close to as good. He just looks like him on the ice from a pure frame and game perspective. Deceptive speed and hands for a young guy still growing into his frame and seems to think the game well at a fast pace.
 

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Former Blues pick kyle Reaves scored 89 goals in the WHL and never scored 20 in the old IHL. Don’t get me wrong. Cristall can really light the lamp at that level. Was invisible and a non factor at the U18s. Smallish and not a great skater. That COULD change. Cristall is smart.

Stancl is an example of that. MUCH improved that part of his game. He has made more strides than any Blues prospect I remember recently and that is an X factor. What is his trajectory? From my viewings, a Dvo, Pekarcik, and Stancl line would totally suck to play against and could be a formidable 2nd or 3rd line. Dvo for whatever reason doesn’t like to carry the puck in the neutral zone. Both Stancl and Pekarcik will drive in those zones. Honestly if you could roll 4 formidable lines….is that a problem? The best blues teams usually had balanced scoring.
Because Stancl plays so well for a center, do you want him on the same line as Dvorsky is my question
 

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Because Stancl plays so well for a center, do you want him on the same line as Dvorsky is my question
Dvo isn’t the best skater so honestly I could see all 3 covering some of the duties. Hes been most effective in this tourney as the late forward getting chances rather than leading the rush. Take advantage of his premium tool which is his shot. Stancl and Pekarcik are both good garbage goal guys and good passers. It’s a bit of a disservice to call Pekarcik just good passing the puck.
 

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