GDT: World Juniors 2024-25

[PerryTurnbullfan]

Canadians struggling to score again. Lead 1-0 halfway through the 2nd v. Germany.

Be game of thrones shame all over again for those players.

 

[TheOrganist]

Be game of thrones shame all over again for those players.

What do you think of Molendyk’s NHL potential? He’s been one of the few Canadians that has looked like a player in the two games I’ve seen.

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

Seems like I ruffled some feathers by suggesting Pietrangelo wasn’t a top-10 player in the NHL in 2019. Suffice it to say he wasn’t in the top-20 in Norris Trophy voting that year. I can see an argument for him being a top-10 defenseman, but a top-10 player, I don’t see it. Criminally underrated, yes, excellent yes, indispensible for our run yes, but top 10 no. If anything, Binner had the stronger argument that year, as he finished tied for 10th in Hart Trophy voting. But he didn’t keep that up.

Pronger was a perennial Norris threat. Brett Hull was a perennial Rocket Richard threat. If you don’t see a gap between Crosby and Ovechkin and someone like O’Rielly, or Cale Makar and Pietrangelo, then I can’t help you.

By definition, someone will be a #1C, a #1D, and a #1 goalie on this team in the future. They will play in situations befitting of those roles, and in all likelihood they’ll be pretty good, maybe even elite at it. But unless we get really lucky with development, or someone drops well below their ability in the draft for some reason, we probably won’t have a top-10 player in the league. I don’t think that’s a death knell for our chances, nor do I think it’s worth tanking to get someone of that caliber because as we saw with Erik Johnson (and a dozen other examples around the league), a top-5 pick is not even a guarantee that you get one.

If the argument is “we should get better players than the ones we have,” well, yeah, that’s always the goal. But I like the path we’re on, and I think the guys we have coming can be successful without needing to pay or lose a ton to get one of those big-name guys. It’s not something this ownership group wants obviously, and I can see the logic.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

Im fine with the backnforth everyone wants to do w/Petro once more, but can ya'll move it out of the WJ thread. Im here to hear about how our prospects are doing.

 

[BlueMed]

Seems like I ruffled some feathers by suggesting Pietrangelo wasn’t a top-10 player in the NHL in 2019. Suffice it to say he wasn’t in the top-20 in Norris Trophy voting that year. I can see an argument for him being a top-10 defenseman, but a top-10 player, I don’t see it. Criminally underrated, yes, excellent yes, indispensible for our run yes, but top 10 no. If anything, Binner had the stronger argument that year, as he finished tied for 10th in Hart Trophy voting. But he didn’t keep that up.

Pronger was a perennial Norris threat. Brett Hull was a perennial Rocket Richard threat. If you don’t see a gap between Crosby and Ovechkin and someone like O’Rielly, or Cale Makar and Pietrangelo, then I can’t help you.

By definition, someone will be a #1C, a #1D, and a #1 goalie on this team in the future. They will play in situations befitting of those roles, and in all likelihood they’ll be pretty good, maybe even elite at it. But unless we get really lucky with development, or someone drops well below their ability in the draft for some reason, we probably won’t have a top-10 player in the league. I don’t think that’s a death knell for our chances, nor do I think it’s worth tanking to get someone of that caliber because as we saw with Erik Johnson (and a dozen other examples around the league), a top-5 pick is not even a guarantee that you get one.

If the argument is “we should get better players than the ones we have,” well, yeah, that’s always the goal. But I like the path we’re on, and I think the guys we have coming can be successful without needing to pay or lose a ton to get one of those big-name guys. It’s not something this ownership group wants obviously, and I can see the logic.

I agree with this. As a way of redirecting this back to our current prospects and the World Juniors, I think Army is building this team like an investment portfolio with intentional diversification of assets rather than putting all of his eggs in one basket. He has to be happy with the number of players that have represented their countries on this years' and last years' stage.

Maybe the front office was okay with Dvorsky leaving because they knew he'd come back sooner rather than later with Slovakia getting wrecked out here

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

Im fine with the backnforth everyone wants to do w/Petro once more, but can ya'll move it out of the WJ thread. Im here to hear about how our prospects are doing.

But we haven’t even started arguing about whether Army pushed him out or he wanted to leave yet!

Jk sorry for the off-topic stuff.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Is it just me or has Jiricek hardly touched the ice in the 3rd?

He ended up with 2nd most ice time on Czechia in 3rd. But they were rolling their D fairly evenly and with all the special teams it did seem like he went long stretches without seeing ice.

 

[PocketNines]

whether Pietrangelo is as good as Makar is a massive goal post move. just massive. fwiw. no year during the 10 we had him were there 10 defensemen I would have rather had. "writer consensus" is not very persuasive to me. for example, "led two different franchises in ice time to their first Cup in 13 years" is more persuasive than what JR and his buddies think. but some people think JR is fairly evaluating all the defensemen on all 32 teams and this is more weighty of a measure than "won the championship of the sport twice."

this comment only makes sense in the context of the thread here, so it was posted here.
I am also posting way more about the WJC here so it's fine.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

What do you think of Molendyk’s NHL potential? He’s been one of the few Canadians that has looked like a player in the two games I’ve seen.

The guy isn’t very big but he may be one of the best skaters in the W. I think his wheels get him to the nhl. He will hit you and he seems to have that ability to come away with the puck. Good prospect.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

Did anyone notice Hagens was 0-10 at the dot? Fins dominated faceoffs. Does Hagens go to the wing?

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

Dvo has two in the first period versus the Canadien nightmare.

 

[Beauterham]

Dvorsky having himself a nice game.

 

[Blueswin]

Dvo has two in the first period versus the Canadien nightmare.

That was Latvia Canada had problems with.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

That was Latvia Canada had problems with.

Mix the two up.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Dvorsky has his stat pad game against Kazakhstan right now. 2 goals and 1 assist through 1 period, Pekarcik has 1 goal and 1 assist.

 

[Reality Czech]

Dvorsky having himself a nice game.

Kazakhstan doing a great job boosting the confidence of our prospects.

 

[BleedBlue14]

I’m not sure Slovakia beats Kazakhstan without Dvorsky. Everything outside of our two prospects is pretty rough. And I don’t think Pekarcik could generate near at this level without Dvorsky there too.

 

[StlBigFly]

Stancl was just keeping the leading scorers seat warm?

 

[bleedblue1223]

Dvorsky is 2+2 and Pekarcik is 2+1 through 2.

 

[MissouriMook]

I’m not sure Slovakia beats Kazakhstan without Dvorsky. Everything outside of our two prospects is pretty rough. And I don’t think Pekarcik could generate near at this level without Dvorsky there too.

Dvorsky’s stated reason for playing in this tournament was to help Slovakia get past the Quarterfinals. He may have single-handedly saved them from relegation.

 

[STLegend]

Completely agree that Kazakhstan wins this game without 15. 18 has looked good but Dvorsky is doing all the work keeping possession and setting him up.

Hope Stenberg is OK, they played a clip of him running into his own guy and leaving the ice during practice...

 

[Spektre]

Kaz blew it giving up a 5 minute major

For real?? Lol

 

[Spektre]

Time for Dvo to get a hatty

 

[Spektre]

No way

Unreal

 

[BleedBlue14]

That’s awful lol