World Cup of Hockey to Return (Feb 2024)

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I'll disagree about World Jrs. The NHL hockey fans see it as Stanley Cup and then the Xmas Juniors. The casual non international fan swears by that tourney. Agree with the rest

Good point about Sweden.. not that I think they are weak now but they had a freakin all star team going for a while and never got many cracks at a best on best. Feel the same about Finn's today... I want to see it.

And, of course, 'The Americans are coming'... been hearing this since 1996 and haven't seen it which blows my mind because the talent pool is unbelievable.

Only Canadian flaws to my eye are a: the goalies (not that they are bad and there a LOT of them) and b: Still a white kid sport and Canada is a very multicultural nation. Look at the amazing tennis teams (both female or male) or soccer team (next 2 world cups)... that is what Canada looks like... Asians, Muslims, immigrants, POC's etc. If Canada had sent their best team to the Olympics there was zero diversity in that lineup. If they can get those communities playing hockey.. watch out!
Yeah but it’s not as if the population of that demographic you mentioned is shrinking (in terms of gross numbers not percentage share), so I don’t think it’s an issue as you mention. The birth rate in Canada is fairly steady and unlike places like Russia (population ) the traditional hockey-playing demographic in Canada is not shrinking, just becoming a smaller percentage share of the population. Goaltenders though, that is a problem
 
Yeah but it’s not as if the population of that demographic you mentioned is shrinking (in terms of gross numbers not percentage share), so I don’t think it’s an issue as you mention. The birth rate in Canada is fairly steady and unlike places like Russia (population ) the traditional hockey-playing demographic in Canada is not shrinking, just becoming a smaller percentage share of the population. Goaltenders though, that is a problem
It's not shrinking but Canada is very multicultural. The tennis and soccer teams are built on immigrants. The hockey team looks like it's 1972.lol.

My entire life Czechs would demolish Canada in tennis and soccer. It was a classic AINEC type thing...

Now? Canada is better at both.

If I pulled up a photo of the Canadian fed cup team... Davis cup team .. world cup soccer team and hockey team. One does not look like the others.

However... The tennis and soccer teams look a lot more like what Canada actually looks like then the hockey team.

It's an untapped group of athletes... If you can kick ass in tennis or soccer.. you can kick ass in hockey too!
 
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There is even a precedence.. the old Isvestia (spelled wrong for sure) in the USSR... they sent two soviet teams and met in the finals a few times!
That is actually not quite correct as at the time the participants played each other once and the final standings were determined by point totals. Russia's two teams did meet in the final in 1993, however.
 
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Russians should be in this tournament.

A tournament without the two best goalies in the world and the best goal scorer to ever play the game would be a farce of a best on best.
 
Russians should be in this tournament.

A tournament without the two best goalies in the world and the best goal scorer to ever play the game would be a farce of a best on best.
1996 there were no NHL top goalies Dominik Hašek and Patrick Roy or top scorer Mario Lemieux either, yet that's not what the tournament is remembered for.
 
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A tournament without the two best goalies in the world and the best goal scorer to ever play the game would be a farce of a best on best.

A team can only play one goalie at a time, and Ovechkin would be almost 40 and is not an exciting player anymore.
 
Although a little hypocritical, I can understand people's and federation's wishes for Russia not to participate. I'm fine with that.

Regardless, when any one of the top 5 is missing, a tournament likely wont go down in the annals of history as a true 'best on best'.
 
A team can only play one goalie at a time, and Ovechkin would be almost 40 and is not an exciting player anymore.
He had 50 goals this season and 90 points. Thats like saying Lebron won't be an exciting player in 3 years. He'll be an elite player that everyone who cares about the history of the game will want to experience.
 
Although a little hypocritical, I can understand people's and federation's wishes for Russia not to participate. I'm fine with that.

Regardless, when any one of the top 5 is missing, a tournament likely wont go down in the annals of history as a true 'best on best'.

I'm perfectly fine with that... for the next 20+ years or for however long it takes. It's a small price to pay. There are others paying a much more exacting and devasting price.
 
He had 50 goals this season and 90 points. Thats like saying Lebron won't be an exciting player in 3 years. He'll be an elite player that everyone who cares about the history of the game will want to experience.
You mean he basically sniped the same goal 50 times. It may be reasonably effective, but I don't know where you see the X-factor.
 
He had 50 goals this season and 90 points. Thats like saying Lebron won't be an exciting player in 3 years. He'll be an elite player that everyone who cares about the history of the game will want to experience.

Like 20% of his goals were empty netters and it was a high scoring season so all numbers went up. 30+ guys like Kadri and Zuccarello Aasen both eclipsed their prior best single season point totals by large margins, et cetera.

Also, we've already seen Ovechkin in tons of these international tourneys, including three best-on-best Olympics (11 points in 17 games), so it's not like we're missing out on some big mystery here.
 
With the NHLs latest comments about “making sure that Russian players can be a part of this somehow” I won’t give two f***s about this tournament, and I hope that Finland, Sweden and others chose to boycott it, which they most likely will after these news
Again, read what Daly said for DailyFaceOff.

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You mean he basically sniped the same goal 50 times. It may be reasonably effective, but I don't know where you see the X-factor.
He was literally the oldest player in the history of the entire league to score 50 goals. This isn't impressive to you?
Like 20% of his goals were empty netters and it was a high scoring season so all numbers went up. 30+ guys like Kadri and Zuccarello Aasen both eclipsed their prior best single season point totals by large margins, et cetera.

Also, we've already seen Ovechkin in tons of these international tourneys, including three best-on-best Olympics (11 points in 17 games), so it's not like we're missing out on some big mystery here.
A goals a goal. The fact is you're playing in the best league in the entire world, if you're scoring 50 your a player that should have a chance to be in the best on best tournament. As a hockey fan how could you not want to see a team with some of the best russian players to ever play? Malkin and Ovechkin are hall of famers. Add in Kucherov, Panarin, Tarasenko, Svenchnikov and others and you have a fantastic team.

What is the appeal, for a hockey fan to see a tournament like this without Russia? we already have a world championship that has an international tournament featuring "best of the rest" why a second one?

This tournament without Russia is not any different than the yearly world championship that people in north America endlessly complain about and half the players don't show up for.
 
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A goals a goal.
I can't believe you have to defend Ovechkin's goal scoring.. dude is an all time great.
This tournament without Russia is not any different than the yearly world championship that people in north America
The difference is that Canada would have Crosby and Mcdavid instead of Mangiapane and Connor Brown (who are both excellent). Instead of Antila (who is a legend!) you'd have Aho or Terravainen. Instead of Omark, you'd have Hedman. Instead of Kieffer Bellows you'd have Matthews. Instead of Roman Horak, you'd have David Pastrnak.

It's a MASSIVE difference in skill level for every nation in the top 4, Czechs, Swiss (they have some seriously good high end forwards and a really good Dman I can think of), Danes (Ehlers with Anderssen) and Germans (who would have Drai, Grubauer, Stutzl and Seider).
 
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He was literally the oldest player in the history of the entire league to score 50 goals. This isn't impressive to you?
Statistically, sure. But it doesn't make Washington a particularly interesting team to watch without a calculator and playing for Russia even that statistical aspect wouldn't be there. Besides with the national team even his numbers are underwhelming and at 38 he's not going to change that legacy.
 
Statistically, sure. But it doesn't make Washington a particularly interesting team to watch without a calculator and playing for Russia even that statistical aspect wouldn't be there. Besides with the national team even his numbers are underwhelming and at 38 he's not going to change that legacy.
38 Ovechkin golden goal over Canada would absolutely further his legacy.

Crosby was barely noticeable in 2010 and yet his goal will be talked about long after we're long gone. Ovie could be a 4th liner in 2024. A golden goal over Canada would possibly be his most memorable moment
 
38 Ovechkin golden goal over Canada would absolutely further his legacy.

Crosby was barely noticeable in 2010 and yet his goal will be talked about long after we're long gone. Ovie could be a 4th liner in 2024. A golden goal over Canada would possibly be his most memorable moment
Crosby scored 3+7=10 at the last World Cup, Ovechkin 1+2=3. And that was one of his better international tournaments...
 
As a hockey fan how could you not want to see a team with some of the best russian players to ever play?

Because as a hockey fan I find democracy way more important than a hockey tournament. I suggest you travel to places like Prague, Tallinn and Riga, talk to the people there and maybe learn some history while you're at it. You just might understand there are bigger things in life than a sports tournament.
 
Best on best hockey is awesome. Best on best hockey on Big Ice is even better.

The NA vs Sweden game popped up on my YouTube the other night and it was noticeable how little room there is out there for these skilled guys to make moves. Not the same on Olympic ice, their skill really shines and the game gets a tad classier too IMO.

The USSR was allowed to participate and hockey was played despite the threat of a nuclear war. So this all seems silly.
Threat of war is different than actual war, no? Right now actual war and actual murder is happening. I’d say the consequences should be different.
 
So much hypocrisy and self-righteousness. Hockey players aren't the ones killing Ukrainians, and no lives are being saved by banning hockey players from a hockey tournament. Drawing a parallel is disingenuous.
If you cant understand what sanctions and bans from international competitions can do to a country that uses sports as one of their main marketing tools, you’re just as clueless as usual.

And Ovie has done his part for this invasion as well, calling Ukrainians fascists, promoting the invasion since 2014 and started the Team Putin-thingy, trying to recruit more Russian athletes to worship Hitl..I mean Putin. He’s an awful person
 
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