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World Cup of hockey 2024, will it happen?

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WarriorofTime said:
so Belgium, England, Portugal, Netherlands, Uruguay ... all not competitive teams? This is not something most people would agree with.
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They for sure are competitive teams but if they never win............what's the difference? it still means you have a small handful of teams that own that trophy.

so they made it to a semi or a quarter.........good for them. Russia does that too from time to time.
WarriorofTime said:
there is a limited sample of world cups (only played once every 4 years). This is not the same situation at all as in ice hockey when the exact same teams make the quarterfinals of every tournament and 4 out of 5 teams compose the semifinals and Canada wins about half the olympics/world juniors, and a lot larger percentage of the various NHL sponsored events.
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The end result is basically the same, about 4-5 teams capable of going all the way in hockey and in the world cup 6-7.


I don't know what else to say. One tournament without Russia, I can't see people losing much sleep over that myself. If this was the 80's sure, but it's not.
 
Not really.. you're taking a maximalist approach on "competitive" hockey teams and a minimalist approach on "competitive" football teams internationally. It's silly. Anybody on the planet knows football is a much more international game. You can just look at the top 100 highest rated players on FIFA compared to NHL EA sports franchises and what countries they come from if you need it simplified.
 
WarriorofTime said:
Not really.. you're taking a maximalist approach on "competitive" hockey teams and a minimalist approach on "competitive" football teams internationally. It's silly. Anybody on the planet knows football is a much more international game. You can just look at the top 100 highest rated players on FIFA compared to NHL EA sports franchises and what countries they come from if you need it simplified.
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Hey, as I said, if you don't accept what I''ve got to say (and for sure you have every right not to) do a poll here to see what fans think, maybe you will be vindicated in your viewpoint, I have no problem admitting when I've been proven wrong. If most fans here can't possibly imagine a hockey tournament with the best players being available and Russia not being involved then the people will have spoken and I'll accept that.

But I see things as I see them, I also have that right, minimalist approach or not.
 
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jj cale said:
Hey, as I said, if you don't accept what I''ve got to say (and for sure you have every right not to) do a poll here to see what fans think, maybe you will be vindicated in your viewpoint, I have no problem admitting when I've been proven wrong. If most fans here can't possibly imagine a hockey tournament with the best players being available then the people will have spoken and I'll accept that.

But I see things as I see them, I also have that right, minimalist approach or not.
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What would a poll prove? That a bunch of Canadian hockey fans are biased towards hockey as a sport generally and want to see Canada run roughshed over crappy teams the likes of which include the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Switzerland and Germany?
 
WarriorofTime said:
What would a poll prove? That a bunch of Canadian hockey fans are biased towards hockey as a sport generally and want to see Canada run roughshed over crappy teams the likes of which include the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Switzerland and Germany?
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A bunch of Canadian fans? I see plenty of fans here from countries that aren't Canada such as the U.S, Finland, Sweden........i'm sure they have an opinion, they never fail to have one when talking about their hockey players and national teams here. They must have one on this question then right?

I don't see the problem, or are you afraid of the possible answers?
 
jj cale said:
A bunch of Canadian fans? I see plenty of fans here from countries that aren't Canada such as the U.S, Finland, Sweden........i'm sure they have an opinion, they never fail to have one when talking about their hockey players and national teams here. They must have one on this question then right?

I don't see the problem, or are you afraid of the possible answers?
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I'm not "afraid" of anything. A poll just proves absolutely nothing.
 
WarriorofTime said:
I'm not "afraid" of anything. A poll just proves absolutely nothing.
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O.K, then there is no reason for you to try to push your opinion as gospel to me then, I'm not doing that to you, I am just stating I don't think Russia absent from one tournament will make all that much difference to hockey fans considering Russias position as a power in the game today and for political/humanitarian reasons but I can accept I could be wrong in my opinion.

It doesn't seem you are willing to do the same, your word is law.

Not to me, it's just an opinion.
 
jj cale said:
O.K, then there is no reason for you to try to push your opinion as gospel to me then, I'm not doing that to you, I am just stating I don't think Russia absent from one tournament will make all that much difference to hockey fans considering Russias position as a power in the game today and for political/humanitarian reasons but I can accept I could be wrong in my opinion.

It doesn't seem you are willing to do the same, your word is law.

Not to me, it's just an opinion.
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My word is not law and I never said it was
 
Czechboy said:
Wow... Feels like you aren't here to talk hockey at all.
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All those crappy teams he mentioned are capable of beating all the big dogs on any given day, it would be an upset but would you be shocked beyond belief?

I wouldn't at all. Even a team like Belarus can do it on a good day when the stars align, we saw that in 2002, and all these teams are far better then them.

The depth isn't as bad in hockey as he is making it out to be.
 
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Gold Standard said:
We can just have a tournament without the Russians and forget all the nonsense defining it as a best on best. I, frankly, do not care what the tournament is defined as. Russia or Russian players have no place in such a tournament for the time being. If that makes you tune out, then so be it, tune it out. just like I tuned out the 2016 tournament with the gimmicky made up teams.
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Then ban them from their NHL teams.

Gold double standard here.
 
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jj cale said:
All those crappy teams he mentioned are capable of beating all the big dogs on any given day, it would be an upset but would you be shocked beyond belief?

I wouldn't at all. Even a team like Belarus can do it on a good day when the stars align, we saw that in 2002, and all these teams are far better then them.

The depth isn't as bad in hockey as he is making it out to be.
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Yup .. calling them crappy teams is all I needed to know.
 
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Will a World Cup happen in '24? Given the tournament's history, I think going with "no" is the far safer bet. I mean at one point the 2020 World Cup was one hundred percent for sure going to happen.

As far as Russia goes... If the NHL/PA does manage to organize something for '24, and Putin's military continue to war crime it up in Ukraine over the next couple of years, the organizers absolutely can not have a team representing Russia involved. Russia's involvement would (deservedly) turn the entire thing into a toxic mess, and entities that need to be involved for the tournament to be a success (happen at all?), will stay away.
 
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Rob said:
Nothing political but I hope Russia is in the tournament. Not truly a World Cup without them.
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I would really like Russia to take part, Finland-Russia games are the best. But if they are still at war in 2024, they should get excluded.
 
Something to ponder for all those who think that Russia being excluded from a potential World Cup would cause it to lose its legitimacy as a 'best-on-best' tournament.

Until 1992 South Africa were banned from participating in the Cricket World Cup, at a time when they were one of only seven [later eight] 'test'-level full members of the International Cricket Council.

When the past World Cups of the 70s and 80s are mentioned, absolutely no-one talks about the lack of the South African team and its players, and no-one sees those titles as any less valid than those won after they were reinstated.
 
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This is probably going to be an issue people will be bitching and whining about endlessly in the future but Russia will be out as long as it takes.

Some people seem to have an attitude that screw Ukraine, we want our sport back and our sport includes Russia.

I don't think either that banning Russia helps Ukraine one little bit but it annoys Russia immensely and that alone is worth it.
 
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aquaregia said:
Something to ponder for all those who think that Russia being excluded from a potential World Cup would cause it to lose its legitimacy as a 'best-on-best' tournament.

Until 1992 South Africa were banned from participating in the Cricket World Cup, at a time when they were one of only seven [later eight] 'test'-level full members of the International Cricket Council.

When the past World Cups of the 70s and 80s are mentioned, absolutely no-one talks about the lack of the South African team and its players, and no-one sees those titles as any less valid than those won after they were reinstated.
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They probably should consider that South Africa wasn't there, if South Africa was in fact a legitimate contender at the time.
 
Lartsaman said:
I would really like Russia to take part, Finland-Russia games are the best. But if they are still at war in 2024, they should get excluded.
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Please don't use that phrase - what you have is one lunatic/maniac assaulting/raping an innocent victim - you cannot call it "they are at war".
 
THE JAM said:
Please don't use that phrase - what you have is one lunatic/maniac assaulting/raping an innocent victim - you cannot call it "they are at war".
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It is a war. Russia invaded Ukraine and Ukraine is fighting back. That's what a war is.
 
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If the World Cup does actually happen Russia will almost for sure not be involved unless Putin is assassinated/dies of natural causes and there is a whole regime change. And they publicly apologize for what happened in Ukraine and immediately begin reparations/payments to the country. All within the span of the next year and a half.

Canada will still have plenty of very competitive countries for the title. A fully healthy Finnish and USA squad would be practically equal favorites from my read of things. A fully healthy and well coached/engaged Swedish squad is still very difficult to beat regardless of your roster. And no, Canada will not necessarily run roughshod over the likes of a complete and healthy Czech Republic or Switzerland squad. In an elimination round it could as likely go a 2-0 tense game as losing on a shootout.
 
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