OT: World Cup 2022 (Human Rights Optional) - Let's Get Stoned!

[BigToe]

That was fun

 

[Striiker]

@Striiker, we good?

Yes but please don’t do that to me again.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

From Dybala’s first start with the national team. He got sent off with a red card in the first half, something that Messi knows about himself since he did the same but I think it was a minute in.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Brutal schadenfreude for Mbappé.

Nah, he already has his title in the bag and was incredible in this tourney, and France is poised to be even better in the years to come. Brutal schaudenfreude for Pissy Crissy.

 

[TB87]

So is Messi the goat now? Also do we like him or no

He’s one of the best ever. IDK about goat. He’s so much more likable than Ronaldo. That one is a bitch boy. I’ve been a big fan of Messi for awhile. I’ve gotta get in some more viewings of PSG. They’ve got Messi, Mbappe, and Neymar.

 

[Striiker]

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

He’s one of the best ever. IDK about goat. He’s so much more likable than Ronaldo. That one is a bitch boy. I’ve been a big fan of Messi for awhile. I’ve gotta get in some more viewings of PSG. They’ve got Messi, Mbappe, and Neymar.

That's very true, but it's also very true of everyone on Earth this side of Putin. It takes about one match of Messi playing against your team when you start to hate him - not because he beats you, but because all of the snide aspects of his game and personality show themselves.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I’m dying looking at Macron.

I know that feeling all too well of being heartbroken but still having to put on a face and do stuff but it’s hilarious to see someone else have to do it.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Dude is the Jordan Binnington of soccer.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Notable, though he didn't play, Almada is the first MLS player to win a World Cup.

 

[kudymen]

Jesus H Christ they're trying to figure out some really stupid gimmick there, aren't they

Martinez looks like the king of the world there, hehe

 

[DancingPanther]

How come everyone is saying this for Maradona?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

How come everyone is saying this for Maradona?

He dead.

 

[DancingPanther]

He dead.

F

 

[Young Sandwich]

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[Jack Straw]

So my $0.02 on the greatest ever question... for me it (in my uneducated opinion) it comes down to Pele and Messi. But I only saw Pele at the very end of his career when he was playing for the Cosmos in the old NASL (him and Beckenbauer). I wouldn't feel comfortable picking between the two but I'm comfortable saying that Messi is the best I've seen.

The argument some people make against Pele is that he never played in Europe and scored a bunch of goals for Santos in a weak league. Fine, but his international career stands with anyone I think. He was the best player on the strongest national team of the era. And the countries that produced the best players then are pretty much the same ones that produce the best players now. Brazil, Argentina, France, Italy, England, Germany, etc...

It's not like hockey where the US is orders of magnitude stronger now that we were in 1980. I'd say that top players in hockey now are coming from a wider variety of countries now compared to the '70s while in soccer that's much less true. So Pele, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, those guys from the '60s and '70s should still be in the conversation.

 

[Appleyard]

So my $0.02 on the greatest ever question... for me it (in my uneducated opinion) it comes down to Pele and Messi. But I only saw Pele at the very end of his career when he was playing for the Cosmos in the old NASL (him and Beckenbauer). I wouldn't feel comfortable picking between the two but I'm comfortable saying that Messi is the best I've seen.

The argument some people make against Pele is that he never played in Europe and scored a bunch of goals for Santos in a weak league. Fine, but his international career stands with anyone I think. He was the best player on the strongest national team of the era. And the countries that produced the best players then are pretty much the same ones that produce the best players now. Brazil, Argentina, France, Germany, etc...

It's not like hockey where the US is orders of magnitude stronger now that we were in 1980. I'd say that top players in hockey now are coming from a wider variety of countries now compared to the '70s while in soccer that's much less true. So Pele, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, those guys from the '60s and '70s should still be in the conversation.

Watching a lot of both, albeit on tape...

I think Eusabio from same era was better than Pele. Far more explosive and scored goals at a better rate at arguably a better level of football.

A lot of Brazilians would say Pele is only ~2nd-3rd best Brazilian ever, he gets more praise in Europe than South America. Garrincha is probably the #1 in Brazil, and Jairzinho in similar level to Pele from what I understand.

I think:

Messi, Ronaldo, Pele, Eusabio, Garrincha, Beckenbaeur, Maradona, Cruyff, Puskas... are all guys that can make "an argument" for. Albeit some stronger than others.

 

[DancingPanther]

Where does Carlos Valderrama rank?

 

[Jack Straw]

Apart from being one of the most memorable sporting events I've ever seen, this WC gave us this gem:

 

[trostol]

Where does Carlos Valderrama rank?

1st in hair

 

[Striiker]

So my $0.02 on the greatest ever question... for me it (in my uneducated opinion) it comes down to Pele and Messi. But I only saw Pele at the very end of his career when he was playing for the Cosmos in the old NASL (him and Beckenbauer). I wouldn't feel comfortable picking between the two but I'm comfortable saying that Messi is the best I've seen.

The argument some people make against Pele is that he never played in Europe and scored a bunch of goals for Santos in a weak league. Fine, but his international career stands with anyone I think. He was the best player on the strongest national team of the era. And the countries that produced the best players then are pretty much the same ones that produce the best players now. Brazil, Argentina, France, Italy, England, Germany, etc...

It's not like hockey where the US is orders of magnitude stronger now that we were in 1980. I'd say that top players in hockey now are coming from a wider variety of countries now compared to the '70s while in soccer that's much less true. So Pele, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, those guys from the '60s and '70s should still be in the conversation.

Pele is Brazilian.

 

[Jack Straw]

Pele is Brazilian.

 

[Striiker]

 

[trostol]

i am amazed...that i picked the right team to win it lol