Great point! Meldonium is a miracle drug that makes talent, practice and preparation totally unnecessary. On the label it clearly says, "guaranteed to turn any sniveling little accountant into a World boxing champion.... IN JUST 12 DAYS!!
U18: WJC U18 - Grand Forks, North Dakota (14th - 24rd April)
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Great point! Meldonium is a miracle drug that makes talent, practice and preparation totally unnecessary. On the label it clearly says, "guaranteed to turn any sniveling little accountant into a World boxing champion.... IN JUST 12 DAYS!!
Jussi
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Well if they are taking anything, it's WADA approved. So until they start getting caught in tests for using something illegal, it's pointless to to even talk about it. And it's not like getting caught in doping tests in just "a Russian thing" in general, it happens every where.
ovikovy817
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WADA = Canada
WADA's founder = Canadian
Wada's president = from UK
2 guys more than 70 years old (important too)
I'd like to put sarcasm smiley, but unfortunately I can't.
I weren't here during sochi olympics, but I found what happened to Backstrom, was very funny
Banned from the final game on the same morning by IOC. Canadians were too afraid of team Sweden?
Hockeyfrilla
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Instead of bothering to get a prescription for 500 mg, couldn't you just buy the 250 mg and take 2?
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ellja3
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That is exactly what ppl are doing
It is more expensive but end result is sameEdit: demand has soared so badly that when my friend wanted to buy 250 last wk, the lady at drug store just said the 250 is sold out, but here, you can have 500 one
like, w/o any prescription
jj cale
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WADA = Canada
WADA's founder = Canadian
Wada's president = from UK
2 guys more than 70 years old (important too)
I'd like to put sarcasm smiley, but unfortunately I can't.
I weren't here during sochi olympics, but I found what happened to Backstrom, was very funny
Banned from the final game on the same morning by IOC. Canadians were too afraid of team Sweden?
You need to accept responsibility for breaking the rules, not whitewash it with some backhand remark about Canada being afraid of Nick Backstrom.
It's Russias responsibility to be within the rules.
No excuse.
Whether it is leaving the ice because you lost a hockey game or you broke doping rules...............it's Russias responsibility to play ball just like everyone else.
They are getting a bad reputation.
Good! I hate doping and want to see it eradicated. Since doping is almost always coerced by coaches who want to make money off the backs of athletes, but don't want to put in the work to train athletes, the best way to end the practice is to make sure that they can never make a living in sports again.
As for Meldonium itself, if you go to Google Scholar, it seems as though it is mildly effective as an agent for the oxygenation process, which makes it more useful for long endurance sport such as cross country skiing, cycling and distance running. More like mini-EPO than steroid. So, its probably completely useless when it comes to power sports like hockey. Still, doping is doping, and it should be severely punished, so the risk for doping is greater than the benefits.
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Caser
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I have taken meldonium when I was an 11 year old kid, but now I'm 28 and still didn't make it even on pro level, does the guarantee applies here or should I just wait a bit longer?
About the whole thing, it is hard to tell anything with no official information available yet. I mean, just yesterday they had a last friendly game and now such news arrive. If it is true, then it means either:
a) Team doctors are total ****** and gave it after it was banned.
b) Meldonium stays in blood longer than everyone thought (I've read that only currently they are doing the research to find that out), which leads to a conclusion that team doctors are total ******, as they should've known what's going on in kids blood sooner than just couple of days before WJC.
Canadian Game
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Dude, it's banned for a reason. The purpose of Meldonium may be to protect the heart but it's banned because some athletes take it to enhance their performance. Just like if you have a cold, you ought to know you can't take Sudafed because prior to it being included as a banned substance, athletes took it to enhance performance whether they were sick or not.
WADA = Canada
WADA's founder = Canadian
Wada's president = from UK
2 guys more than 70 years old (important too)
I'd like to put sarcasm smiley, but unfortunately I can't.
I weren't here during sochi olympics, but I found what happened to Backstrom, was very funny
Banned from the final game on the same morning by IOC. Canadians were too afraid of team Sweden?
So are you telling me when people break rules, there should be no accountability at all? Give me a break that Canadians were afraid of Sweden (LOL). Canada dominated Sweden. However, when people break rules they should be held responsible. I would have said the same thing if the players were Canadian.
I have taken meldonium when I was an 11 year old kid, but now I'm 28 and still didn't make it even on pro level, does the guarantee applies here or should I just wait a bit longer?
About the whole thing, it is hard to tell anything with no official information available yet. I mean, just yesterday they had a last friendly game and now such news arrive. If it is true, then it means either:
a) Team doctors are total ****** and gave it after it was banned.
b) Meldonium stays in blood longer than everyone thought (I've read that only currently they are doing the research to find that out), which leads to a conclusion that team doctors are total ******, as they should've known what's going on in kids blood sooner than just couple of days before WJC.
The only thing I can say in their defense is that just 97 days ago, it was completely legal. That should certainly give WADA some justification on going easier on offenders caught within the first 100 days, or however long it takes before it stops showing up in a blood sample.
From what I have read, WADA banned it 97 days ago because it may have some benefit for endurance athletes like cross country skiers and cyclists in recovering from bouts of effort. The only way it could conceivably benefit a hockey player is to shorten the recovery time between shifts, since when they are on the ice, they are anaerobic, not aerobic. Since most players have at least 2 minutes recovery time between shifts, its hard to imagine it offers any real advantage, but once the word gets around, the rules have to be complied with.
Canadian Game
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I don't have a medical background so I only know very very basics about the drug but there is obviously a purpose that some athletic governing bodies have banned it. It's worth noting that (from what I've read) the drug isn't banned in the NHL, but it is banned by the IIHF and in other sports such as tennis. While hockey players typically do get a few minutes of recovery time between shifts like you said, in tennis players get even less breaks and time for breaks. This would mean the drug would have an even less effect on them, however the ATP and WTA have banned it because they feel it can enhance an athlete's ability.
Caser
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Not every, but there was Cherepanov - while there is at least one case like that, it is reasonable to use some kind of a cardioprotection, and meldonium was used for this purpose, as it was cheap and had basically no side effects.
helicecopter
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that theory seems to start with the assumption Cherepanov never took Meldonium, something that I'd not take for granted.
Meldonium was not used before 2008?
Meldonium was not used before 2008?
Caser
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I have no information, if Cherepanov took it or not, just I meant that some form of a cardioprotection is a need for athletes (at least young ones) and it doesn't matter, if any bad heart conditions were diagnosed or not. Meldonium was used for that purpose, now probably something else is used.
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http://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/news/U18-roster-unveiled-for-2016-Worlds-pre-competition-camp
Canada will play a pair of pre-tournament games in Winnipeg, facing the Czech Republic on April 10 (9 p.m. ET/6 p.m. PT) before taking on Sweden on April 12 (9 p.m. ET/6 p.m. PT). Tickets are $10 and available for purchase at the MTS Iceplex on game day.
Canada will play a pair of pre-tournament games in Winnipeg, facing the Czech Republic on April 10 (9 p.m. ET/6 p.m. PT) before taking on Sweden on April 12 (9 p.m. ET/6 p.m. PT). Tickets are $10 and available for purchase at the MTS Iceplex on game day.
ChicagoBullsFan
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Whoever is the guilty of this scandal.
Russian U18 hockey team doctors should know better which medicines are banned and which ones not.
ChicagoBullsFan
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How YLE will broadcast Team Finland U18 WJC games.
There's no mention in their tv guide and only game what yle will broadcast is 19th April Finland vs Canada and medal round games.
What ****ing sense is to bought broadcasting rights to U18 WJC's for YLE.
If those amateurs wont broadcast all 4 Finland's preliminary round games in U18 WJC's.
I'm so tired to watch 3 first ( Czech Republic , Slovakia, Denmark) Finland U18 WJC preliminary round games for pirate streams.
There's no mention in their tv guide and only game what yle will broadcast is 19th April Finland vs Canada and medal round games.
What ****ing sense is to bought broadcasting rights to U18 WJC's for YLE.
If those amateurs wont broadcast all 4 Finland's preliminary round games in U18 WJC's.
I'm so tired to watch 3 first ( Czech Republic , Slovakia, Denmark) Finland U18 WJC preliminary round games for pirate streams.
