WJC - Russia - 2015

[kp61c]

Lol, only midget world championship)))).

well, i'm sure pilipenko and okulov, for example, won't make the team.
the tendency, put in vogue by varnakov, of populating the fourth and the third lines with some big dumb players whose only task is not to allow a goal in will be continued. nothing to worry about here

 

[cska78]

Where is Golyshev? Sharov, Mamin

 

[Atas2000]

well, i'm sure pilipenko and okulov, for example, won't make the team.
the tendency, put in vogue by varnakov, of populating the fourth and the third lines with some big dumb players whose only task is not to allow a goal in will be continued. nothing to worry about here

If by big dumb players you mean Kamenev, then bring them on, bring more of them.

 

[wings5]

What is your basis? Look at Tolpar and a bewildered Spartak line up ran a train on a Cape Breton team which is now a powerhouse in the Q. MHL forwards were significantly more skilled than the CHL ones, and the 2 best forwards on CB were Russians to boot.

You take Bars Kazan for ex. Add Fazleyev, Nasybulin, Lazarev, Svechnikov, Valeyev and Tyanulin back to their current line up and there isn't a team in the CHL to touch them. CSKA would be even more impressive.

You're forgeting that one does not simply win with just skilled players. Unless you have defenceman able to get them the puck and a goalie to keep thing stable, you will not have a succesful team as you need players of all types. Yes in terms of forwards there is no questions Russia is producing many skilled players but the forward group lacks many 200 ft players like Kamenev and like you would see in the CHL like Horvat, Lazar, Reinhart etc. So the theory no one would touch this team based on the names of the players is a bit farfetched. Plus the score was 3-2 against CB who is a slightly above average Q team and very young.

to put it short, MHL is not clearly better, it's comaparble and it is by a mile a better option for russian players to develop their hockey skills.

you ppl completely forget major factors. the KHL is also there you know. so players jumping form the MHL to KHL are there too. the NHL is not the one and only measuring stick.


also the assumption the D and the G in the MHL are far worse is at least strange. on international level MHL D-men and goalies are doing pretty well against the CHL opposition.

Don't get me wrong I love the MHL and I believe MHL --> KHL or MHL -->VHL --> KHL path is the best way for Russians to develop in terms of individual development of players. Imo however in terms of depth, coaching, strength of the league as a whole etc of the leagues I still feel the CHL ( more specifically WHL, OHL ) is stronger, but not necesarily in terms of individual player development if you get what I'm saying.

 

[Caser]

Currently I think roster could be something like this (assuming Nichushkin and Zadorov are out):

Leschenko-Barbashev-Buchnevich
Scherbak-Kamenev-Goldobin
Zykov-Sharov-Mamin
Golyshev-Penkovsky-Tolchinsky
Tkachev

Valiev-Glukhov
Gavrikov-Yudin
Baldayev-Sergeev
Rafikov

Sorokin
Shestyorkin
Kostin

 

[Atas2000]

Don't get me wrong I love the MHL and I believe MHL --> KHL or MHL -->VHL --> KHL path is the best way for Russians to develop in terms of individual development of players. Imo however in terms of depth, coaching, strength of the league as a whole etc of the leagues I still feel the CHL ( more specifically WHL, OHL ) is stronger, but not necesarily in terms of individual player development if you get what I'm saying.

The way I see it, there is more disparity in the MHL. MHL's best teams are better than any CHL team, the big pool of 2nd tier MHL teams are significcantly worse. Still for russian players the MHL is a better place for development, especially considering the possibility of playing in the KHL, something NA can't offer anyway. The jump to the NHL is much more complicated already by regualtions.

 

[wings5]

The way I see it, there is more disparity in the MHL. MHL's best teams are better than any CHL team, the big pool of 2nd tier MHL teams are significcantly worse. Still for russian players the MHL is a better place for development, especially considering the possibility of playing in the KHL, something NA can't offer anyway. The jump to the NHL is much more complicated already by regualtions.

I don't believe the best MHL teams are better than any CHL team. The best MHL teams have more skilled players than other MHL teams forsure and the goalies probably do not see much action like with any good team but as I said Russian teams and NA teams are very differently constructed. In Russia majority of the forwards will be skilled with the puck from 1st through 4th line. In CHL on a good team you might have one super skilled line maybe two and each contains different attributes. There are more grinders and two way players than you'd find in Russia, but in the NHL these types of teams are usually the winning ones not the most skilled teams.

 

[cska78]

I don't believe the best MHL teams are better than any CHL team. The best MHL teams have more skilled players than other MHL teams forsure and the goalies probably do not see much action like with any good team but as I said Russian teams and NA teams are very differently constructed. In Russia majority of the forwards will be skilled with the puck from 1st through 4th line. In CHL on a good team you might have one super skilled line maybe two and each contains different attributes. There are more grinders and two way players than you'd find in Russia, but in the NHL these types of teams are usually the winning ones not the most skilled teams.

Agreed

 

[Yakushev72]

A big problem for players who choose the CHL over the MHL is that even if they are among the small minority of Russian players who actually get drafted by an NHL team, the overwhelming majority begin their career in the AHL or even lower in the ECHL. If they don't achieve a permanent spot in an NHL lineup after 2 years, most or all of their bargaining power, if they should choose later to make a move to the KHL, has been lost. The KHL owners will say, in effect, "after thoroughly evaluating you, your NA bosses only paid you $70,000 per year, why should I pay you more?"

 

[vorky]

A big problem for players who choose the CHL over the MHL is that even if they are among the small minority of Russian players who actually get drafted by an NHL team, the overwhelming majority begin their career in the AHL or even lower in the ECHL. If they don't achieve a permanent spot in an NHL lineup after 2 years, most or all of their bargaining power, if they should choose later to make a move to the KHL, has been lost. The KHL owners will say, in effect, "after thoroughly evaluating you, your NA bosses only paid you $70,000 per year, why should I pay you more?"

and who is a loser? Not NHL team, not KHL team but player! Look at Zadorov, CSKA does not allow him to play AHL (I am not so sure about this rule, but Sabres fans claim it is a reason why Zadorov can not be sent to AHL). If he was drafted to NHL from KHL club (not CHL), he could play AHL this season (like Yakimov). To be fair, Zadorov would have contract until end of this season if stayed in CSKA. But, he can terminate contract earlier like Nichuskin

 

[Caser]

Meanwhile preliminary rosters for SSS (without CHL based players) and 4 nations tournament have been released:

SSS roster:

GK
Ivan Bocharov
Denis Kostin
Igor Shestyorkin

D
Viktor Baldayev
Alexander Bryntsev
Ivan Vereschagin
Vladislav Gavrikov
Nikolai Glukhov
Ziyat Paigin
Yuri Pautov
Rushan Rafikov
Mikhail Tikhonov
Nikita Cherepanov
Dmitri Yudin

FW
Andrei Alexeev
Vladimir Bryukvin
Daniil Vovchenko
Alexander Dergachyov
Ilya Korenev
Yegor Korshkov
Pavel Kraskovsky
Vyacheslav Leschenko
Maxim Mamin
Yegor Morozov
Konstantin Okulov
Artyom Penkovsky
Kirill Pilipenko
Igor Rudenkov
Ivan Fishchenko
Nikita Shatsky

4 Nations tournament roster:

GK
Timur Bilyalov
Ivan Bocharov
Maxim Tretyak

D
Vladislav Voropayev
Nikolai Glukhov
Nikolai Demidov
Ilya Dervuk
Nikita Kamalov
Yevgeni Nazarkin
Yegor Orlov
Ruslan Trubkin
Roman Khalikov
Kirill Shchukin

FW
Semyon Afonasyevsky
Vladislav Boyko
Dmitri Boychuk
Igor Boldin
Dmitri Vorobyov
Ruzal Galeyev
Andrei Yerofeyev
Daniil Ilyin
Vladislav Kaletnik
Andrei Kuzmenko
Alexander Mokshantsev
Denis Orlovich-Grudkov
Stepan Khripunov
Viktor Shakhvorostov
Alexei Yakovlev

As expected, some KHL regulars aren't called up (Sorokin, Buchnevich, Kamenev, Golyshev, Sharov), imo, we can consider them as locks or close to that. SSS clearly looks like an A roster, while 4 nations roster is a team B; Bocharov and Glukhov are in both rosters and it will be decided later to which tournament will they go (which sounds rather strange to me, as I thought before that Glukhov is close to a lock).

 

[kp61c]

probably you are right. but i can't agree with that. to be on the roster of some second-rate khl club and showing exactly nothing is not a reason enough to be considered a lock.
sharov seems to be impotent in the khl, golyshev will be impotent on the small ice and kamenev is a way overrated here. on the other side, their substitutes are not much better. i hope bragin is wiser than that, but i'm probably wrong. saw a bunch of games with glukhov in the mhl and hope there are better players than him. he shouldn't make the team/

 

[cska78]

Sharov and Mamin were a very potent duo, while not the best in skill, they certainly made up for it with chemistry. I didn't like Zykov (his play has deteriorated immensely in na) , but if bragin sees them as a line - I have no problem with it

 

[Atas2000]

probably you are right. but i can't agree with that. to be on the roster of some second-rate khl club and showing exactly nothing is not a reason enough to be considered a lock.
sharov seems to be impotent in the khl, golyshev will be impotent on the small ice and kamenev is a way overrated here. on the other side, their substitutes are not much better. i hope bragin is wiser than that, but i'm probably wrong. saw a bunch of games with glukhov in the mhl and hope there are better players than him. he shouldn't make the team/

You probably haven't seen Sharov play in the KHL.

How's Kamenev overrated? A mid 1996 188/92 guy who has 7 points in 18 KHL games. I think that more than qualifies him as a U20 NT lock.

Just some strange bias in your post.

 

[MrGeno101]

Zadorov has issue with Buffalo its seems, could be a huge boost if he will be available.

 

[Caser]

Zadorov has issue with Buffalo its seems, could be a huge boost if he will be available.

Oh yeah, D lineup is really really bad without him. Wondering if Nichushkin can find some issue with Dallas for couple of weeks in January.

Btw, totally forgot about Goldobin, does anyone know if Finnish teams are releasing their players for WJC?

 

[rduck1]

Oh yeah, D lineup is really really bad without him. Wondering if Nichushkin can find some issue with Dallas for couple of weeks in January.

Btw, totally forgot about Goldobin, does anyone know if Finnish teams are releasing their players for WJC?

Yes they are. Basically our entire WJC team will come from Liiga.

 

[Caser]

Yes they are. Basically our entire WJC team will come from Liiga.

Thanks, I thought it should be that way, but just wasn't sure.

 

[Atas2000]

Oh yeah, D lineup is really really bad without him. Wondering if Nichushkin can find some issue with Dallas for couple of weeks in January.

Btw, totally forgot about Goldobin, does anyone know if Finnish teams are releasing their players for WJC?

Goldobin probably available. But not the SSS I guess. You have to ask Bragin if that's a damper on his chances to make the WJC squad.

The D is not bad at all, even without Zadorov. He also was expected to be available. His "issue" with Buffalo is that he can't got to the AHL like many others. There is even a possibility for him to return to Russia anf play in the KHL for the rest of the season. A huge boost for CSKA he'd be. With him they'd have amazing depth.

 

[Caser]

Goldobin probably available. But not the SSS I guess. You have to ask Bragin if that's a damper on his chances to make the WJC squad.

The D is not bad at all, even without Zadorov. He also was expected to be available. His "issue" with Buffalo ist that he can't got to the AHL like many others. There is even a possibility for him to return to Russia anf play in the KHL for the rest of the season. A huge boost for CSKA he'd be. With him they'd have amazing depth.

As much as I would like to agree with you, but no. Without Zadorov, we're talking about Gavrikov and Valiyev possibly being a top guys at D, imo, even last year's D was stronger.

 

[Atas2000]

As much as I would like to agree with you, but no. Without Zadorov, we're talking about Gavrikov and Valiyev possibly being a top guys at D, imo, even last year's D was stronger.

Gavrikov and Valiev are a very solid top pairing. You just underrate them.

 

[Caser]

Gavrikov and Valiev are a very solid top pairing. You just underrate them.

Maybe, but, imo, last year it was kind of more solid at D

By the way, CHL-ers for SSS are announced (although Bragin metioned that there still might be some changes): Tolchinsky, Tkachev, Barbashev, Zykov, Valiyev, Mikulovich, Zadorov (if available) and maybe Provorov link.

So I guess Bragin is not a big fan of Scherbak

 

[Atas2000]

Maybe, but, imo, last year it was kind of more solid at D

By the way, CHL-ers for SSS are announced (although Bragin metioned that there still might be some changes): Tolchinsky, Tkachev, Barbashev, Zykov, Valiyev, Mikulovich, Zadorov (if available) and maybe Provorov link.

So I guess Bragin is not a big fan of Scherbak

from what I hear he impresses everybody with his media skills. On the ice however...

Means Bragin is not alone.

 

[kp61c]

so, there are a few 96-born players to look at from the mhl but svechnikov and shherbak are passed over. i like that.

 

[malkinfan]

Big loss if a guy like Sergeev is not invited. A guy like him is much better than a liability like Yudin. I know Yudin will get all kinds of praise because he is on SKA, which is unfair. The guy has been at the wrong end of more highlight reels than any other guy only playing 10 minutes a game. There are some good players in in the CHL and I hope they are not ignored just because. We've already seen Yudin, Tihkonov and other fringe guys. How about we get a look at Sharipzyanov, Sleptsov, Nasybulin, Sergeev etc.