GDT: WJC, NYE, Canada vs Germany, 1:30 EST

[HabSgt]

My money is on Canada... Nightmare quarter.

You always say that but this year I think you guys have a real good shot against us.

Šťastný nový rok!

 

[Pieck]

Well the Germans made this fun. Hope they don’t get relegated

 

[Czechboy]

You always say that but this year I think you guys have a real good shot against us.

Šťastný nový rok!

You too! Next time we talk.. I'll be I. Quebec skiing. Not happy about the 830 start.

 

[Blender]

That win was tougher than I was expecting, hopefully they aren't complacent in the next game.

 

[JackSlater]

Good work by the Germans keeping it interesting. Didn't love the lack of intensity from Canada in this game. Rousseau wasn't the problem but his issue with getting screened repeatedly was not good. Ultimately this team hasn't done much to inspire a lot of confidence. Continue to be impressed with Celebrini, even with the little things, as he is a fair bit better than I thought. Rehkopf had a good game here too.

 

[gritdash60]

I dont like the call on Geekie at all. Im from Europe and i know the rules here very well, any hit with incidential, and more than often even any contact to the head is a no go at least here in Finland. But what is Geekie supposed to do there, drop to his knees before the hit so that i doesnt connect with the head?

I understand that the game is faster than ever, and its not pretty when big boys collide and someone gets concussions or worse. But it's about time they decide to either ban hitting or have some sense in these calls.

I kind of understand IIHF's stand in they REALLY do not want to host a junior tournament where there will be some hit that has such results that ends players career or worse. But just throwing major penalties like candy hardly is the answer.

Edit: Finally a friend sent me a video of the incident with replays and slow-mo's and it looks like Geekie leaves his feet off the ice and the hit is aimed upwards, maybe it was a right call after all. Then again its very fine line with these hits that are thrown from directly in front of the opposing player, if you ban every hit that has contact to the head you eliminate all open ice checks pretty much. But yes after seeing the slow-mo and replays this might have been the right call, trusting that referees get these right every time is very courageous.

 

[Dessloch]

I dont like the call on Geekie at all. Im from Europe and i know the rules here very well, any hit with incidential, and more than often even any contact to the head is a no go at least here in Finland. But what is Geekie supposed to do there, drop to his knees before the hit so that i doesnt connect with the head?

I understand that the game is faster than ever, and its not pretty when big boys collide and someone gets concussions or worse. But it's about time they decide to either ban hitting or have some sense in these calls.

I kind of understand IIHF's stand in they REALLY do not want to host a junior tournament where there will be some hit that has such results that ends players career or worse. But just throwing major penalties like candy hardly is the answer.

Its not a god given right to throw hits, its something that is self-chosen. Its up to the player making the hit to deliver a safe hit! If anything goes wrong the player making the hit will get penalized for it. If the player you are lining up is in a vulnerable position that does not give you a freebie run to demolish his skull!

Geekie should have bailed out of the hit or at least let up, instead he want full steam and left the ice flying because of the force he put into someones head.

Typical reckless hit that should get 5 + game + 2-4 games suspension! In the SHL this would easily be 4+ game suspension and rightly so.

 

[gritdash60]

Its not a right to throw hits, its something that is self-chosen. Its up to the player making the hit to deliver a safe hit! If anything goes wrong the player making the hit will get penalized for it. If the player you are lining up is in a vulnerable position that does not give you a freebie run to demolish his skull!

Geekie should have bailed out of the hit or at least let up, instead he want full steam and left the ice because of the force!

Typical reckless hit that should get 5 + game + 2-4 games suspension!

I finally saw a replay with slow-mo and edited my message with better opinion, but i still think its a very fine line with these and relying on referees getting things right too much.

Also its as important as to throw a safe hit, to take one properly which is often forgotten in these discussions, that doesnt apply to this specific hit though.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Its not a right to throw hits, its something that is self-chosen. Its up to the player making the hit to deliver a safe hit! If anything goes wrong the player making the hit will get penalized for it. If the player you are lining up is in a vulnerable position that does not give you a freebie run to demolish his skull!

Geekie should have bailed out of the hit or at least let up, instead he want full steam and left the ice flying because of the force he put into someones head.

Typical reckless hit that should get 5 + game + 2-4 games suspension! In the SHL this would easily be 4+ game suspension and rightly so.

4 game suspension lmao

 

[Dessloch]

I finally saw a replay with slow-mo and edited my message with better opinion, but i still think its a very fine line with these and relying on referees getting thins right too much.

I dont think there is anything complicated with this, if you hit someone in the head as the main principle of contact you will face the punishment! If you dont want to gamble and take the risk you dont go out there hunting for pretty meaningless big hits!
You win a hockey game by scoring goals, flying into people who no longer has the puck is not necessary or vital part of the game, so you have to pick and choose when to risk to hammer someone!

The refs has the chance to review which is great so that nobody gets ejected based on quick on ice call!

 

[gritdash60]

I dont think there is anything complicated with this, if you hit someone in the head as the main principle of contact you will face the punishment! If you dont want to gamble and take the risk you dont go out there hunting for pretty meaningless big hits!
You win a hockey game by scoring goals, flying into people who no longer has the puck is not necessary or vital part of the game, so you have to pick and choose when to risk to hammer someone!

The refs has the chance to review which is great so that nobody gets ejected based on quick on ice call!

So my earlier point stands, just ban hitting all together then. Get 0 goals for hits.

 

[Dessloch]

4 game suspension lmao

Would be very fitting, rather that reckless cnut being out for the rest out the tournament than having some elite talent suffer a career changing concussion because of a pointless hit.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Would be very fitting, rather be out that reckless cnut for the rest out the tournament than having some elite talent suffer a career changing concussion!

Or that is just a ridiculous opinion lol he will be playing in the QF.

 

[Dessloch]

So my earlier point stands, just ban hitting all together then. Get 0 goals for hits.

It does not stand, you can hit as much as you want as long as you keep it clean! If you cant keep it clean dont hit! Maybe 1 hit out 500 is punished with a game misconduct, so I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[gritdash60]

4 game suspension lmao

Would be in order if they reviewed it and felt like Geekie was headhunting and purposely jumped and aimed his hit towards his head, which no one with a brain can see no matter how many times they watch this hit.

It does not stand, you can hit as much as you want as long as you keep it clean! If you cant keep it clean dont hit! Maybe 1 hit out 500 is punished with a game misconduct, so I have no idea what you are talking about.

Yeah, so what you seem to want is speed limits for hits, and a break on the play so they can ask if the receiving player is ready to be hit.

 

[Dessloch]

Would be in order if they reviewed it and felt like Geekie was headhunting and purposely jumped and aimed his hit towards his head, which no one with a brain can see no matter how many times they watch this hit.

If he would have been head hunting a player with intent to injure it would be 7+ games. So 2-4 for this would be pretty much what you could expect, not often you see someone jump into a hit like that with the head being the only principle of contact!

Would be in order if they reviewed it and felt like Geekie was headhunting and purposely jumped and aimed his hit towards his head, which no one with a brain can see no matter how many times they watch this hit.


Yeah, so what you seem to want is speed limits for hits, and a break on the play so they can ask if the receiving player is ready to be hit.

There are plenty of hard hitting players who manages to NOT throw this kind dangerous and reckless hits, so its up to this Geek to improve his hitting skills rather than the game to adapt its rules to make his poor hits legal!

Focus more on scoring than bloodlust and Geekie will be just fine!

 

[gritdash60]

this kind dangerous and reckless hits, so its up to this Geek to improve his hitting skills

He went to hit a dude straight from the front, to get his team going and getting himself going for the game, not to try and kill someone like you make it sound. Got a bit too fired up and maybe left his skates just before the hit that happens a lot, got the punishment and a major penalty. You calling for 4games for that is just absurd, but the great thing is we can have different opinions and looks like we do so lets just leave it at that.

Have a great new year buddy!

 

[MeHateHe]

Will say it again. Reading GDTs after the game ends is a wild ride. Most of you need to relax, just in general. It’s only a game.

 

[FrankieC]

He went to hit a dude straight from the front, to get his team going and getting himself going for the game, not to try and kill someone like you make it sound. Got a bit too fired up and maybe left his skates just before the hit that happens a lot, got the punishment and a major penalty. You calling for 4games for that is just absurd, but the great thing is we can have different opinions and looks like we do so lets just leave it at that.

Have a great new year buddy!

I get the point you're making but, it says a lot about Canadian hockey that we teach our kids that they need to throw these meaningless hits to get the team fired up. This Bobby Clarke mindset needs to end.

Fire up a team by scoring more goals and dominating the puck possession..

 

[gritdash60]

I get the point you're making but, it says a lot about Canadian hockey that we teach our kids that they need to throw these meaningless hits to get the team fired up. This Bobby Clarke mindset needs to end.

Fire up a team by scoring more goals and dominating the puck possession..

What makes a hit meaningless and what does make one meaningful?

 

[FrankieC]

What makes a hit meaningless and what does make one meaningful?

Where it occurs relative to the ice surface, the opportunity it creates or removes, timing, etc..

 

[nucks88]

I get the point you're making but, it says a lot about Canadian hockey that we teach our kids that they need to throw these meaningless hits to get the team fired up. This Bobby Clarke mindset needs to end.

Fire up a team by scoring more goals and dominating the puck possession..

I watched every other team at least once during the tournament and all of them hit to some extent or another - some quite violently so maybe stop with the “Canada is so terrible and aggressive” bullshit.

 

[FrankieC]

I watched every other team at least once during the tournament and all of them hit to some extent or another - some quite violently so maybe stop with the “Canada is so terrible and aggressive” bullshit.

Yeah so I ain't stopping with anything I choose to say. I also ain't talking about other countries. I'm talking about Canada and Geekie specifically.

 

[Edenjung]

Or that is just a ridiculous opinion lol he will be playing in the QF.

No it isn't.
It has been shown by a multitude of long-term studies that concussions during brain development have negative Long Term effects. And that starts with the First concussion you get.

In the NHL and for men its fine but until the brain is developed and especially during the early years of development we should be extra careful.
That does Not mean banning hitting, but to Hit the right way.

 

[gritdash60]

Where it occurs relative to the ice surface, the opportunity it creates or removes, timing, etc..

So throw big hits in the bench, there is no ice surface, the opportunity is there, removes the timing.