WJC Gold Medal GDT: Canada vs. Russia

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ArtVandelei said:
It's nice that after 7 years of being beaten up on by everyone from Russia to Khazakstan to USA, Canada finally gets one, but what a horrible tournament this was. Not a single great game involving Canada. How dissapointing is it that in the year that Canada has put out its best squad in 10 years, every other world power put out either one of, or their worst.

Frankly, I don't see much to celebrate here.]

Pitiful. Really
 
Slick Nick said:
Congrats to all Canadians (expet me :D)

Great performeance, you did not steal it, you truelly deserved this medal and this perfect record...Huraaaaaaay to Canada!!
Thank you to all the Russian fans who have congratulated us Canadians. Although I didn't like what the Russian players did to the Americans, it was a mistake and I'm sure they have learned something out of it. I have no doubt that when they'll be in the NHL, they'll be very entertaining players like Kovalchuk is. I used to dislike Kovy but I love him now. Better luck next time.
 
EroCaps said:
this is taunting-

:razz:

...And that was basically what they did by celebrating those empty net goals like they were overtime winners.

I actually had a problem with the officiating at this tournament ...lack of Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalties.
 
EroCaps said:
Care to back that up with anything? I'm all ears. Was it the kissing of his crest, or showing the nameplate to the American fans that was directed at the American bench/players.

I never saw Ovechkin kiss the crest. What I did see, though, is him skate by the U.S. bench and shake the crest at the American players. The first thing is patriotic. The second is taunting. If you can't see that, well...
 
Jacobv2 said:
I missed this while reading this thread when the game was going on, but is it true that one of the Canadian players taunted the Russians by tugging on his jersey in the direction of the Russian bench after a goal?

I believe this was Anthony Stewart celebrating his goal. He was tugging on his jersey, but I'm pretty sure he was doing it in front of the Canadian bench, and not towards the Russian bench.

I could be wrong though. :D
 
s7ark said:
Ok so far. 3 things

1. I take back any doubts I ever had about Phaneuf. He is a fricking titan out there. 3 minutes killing penalties over 1 double minor??? You have got to be kidding me! NO ONE can do those numbers. I would consider dark and evil acts if it meant the Oilers could magic up a guy like him.

2. Carter. Carter, Carter, Carter. I hoestly believe we are sseeing the emergence of a new Thornton/Allison. With better skating. A tremendous player

3. Crosby. Did you see the look in his eyes when Crosby knocked Ovechkin offside ? I haven't see that kind of look since Mess in his earlier days. That look of absolute determination This kid can bring himself to this level emotionally. Mess's intensity with an almost Gretzky like skill set? Simply frightening.

Please note I am not saying Crosby will be better then either of them. But he has HOF potential.
YOU HAD DOUBTS ABOUT PHANEUF! :eek:
Pretty well all of Team Canada played great but the 3 you mentioned along with
Bergeron stood out.Crosby wasn't given as big a role (or icetime as the others)
but he played his role perfectly.Glass was really never called upon but looked like
he was up to the task on rare occassions(5 on 3).Sutter has to be given kudos too,
a well coached team.
 
Van said:
If I'm a pro scout, I would question whether or not he would do it for my team. Ovechkin was hell bent on beating Canada. All the taunting he did to the Americans was all for nothing if he lets a seemingly minor injury keep him out of a championship game.

I know you see this tournament as nothing but a scouting mission, but the players don't see it that way. At least in Canada, kids dream about winning the World Juniors.




Ovechkin had better get used to it if he doesn't change his attitude towards his opponents. NHL bruisers won't just nail him with clean bodychecks either.

i feel bad for ao once pepole think they can take you off your game by hammering you they will do it all the more! till you prove otherwise. or you'll have to carry a goon with you every game. :)
he's going to have a ruff time when he satrts to play in the nhl.
 
Just relax, it's only hockey. Stop OVERanalyzing and just enjoy the thrills and drama that this great sport has to offer.
Peace.
 
Life is made of peaks and valleys, and hockey is no exception.This is a peak time, let's hope that we don't get down on our country the next time we are in a valley. :teach:

Great comment. Not only for Hockey Canada, International Hockey, NHL or any hockey, but for a fan of any sport. I hate people who suit up for "their" team when "their" team are winning and instant ditch when "their" team don't win. It's usually the people who suit up for their team (when they're winning) that are cocky and make the core fan base look bad.
 
Cawz said:
But of all the players you mentioned, only 1 was a 1st overall pick. Hell, we still hear about Daigle.

I cant think of 1 specific Barnaby antic (I just know he's a doofus) and forgot about Ribeiro (he's not a big enough name). But most will remember Bertuzzi's incident and Sundin throwing the stick and Alfie pretending to. Superstar's incidents stick in peoples brains. Hell, we even heard of Federov's soap opera with Anna K.

Time will tell I guess.

Daigle is mentioned becasue of the hype/bust fatcor....thats the only reason....and IMO he isnt a true bust....he at least plays and has put up decent numbers....just didnt live up to the hype/contract

Off the top of my head I remember Barnaby taunting the Caps bench in the playoffs.....called on it by Ron Wilson he did it again the next game, but in a different way....and if you listen to people here..if anyone ever did that in the NHL they would be beaten to a pulp and taken out back and then executed....but no north american player would ever do that sort of thing
 
chicpea said:
It's been all over the press here - print and screen. Not to mention word of mouth. Here's one of a dozen mentions:
http://tsn.ca/world_jrs/news_Story.asp?ID=109881

It was in the globe, the National, Slam and other locals too.

Just because no one cares in the the states doesn't mean no one else does.

I already posted that link...lets see the dozens?

and why does Malkin get a free ride....he is the one who taunted the bench
 
Julia said:
I'm very surprised to hear that... :amazed: . I had number of friends who came down to Toronto for WC. We were walking from their hotel (Harbour ..)to ACC, and they were wearing russian jerseys. But to make more fun they were screaming their lungs out with "GO RUSSIA!! " GO FOR THE GOLD!! ". And guess what: nobody not just said a word to them, but people, wearing canadian jerseys were smiling and looked very friendly. And this took place BEFORE the game CAN-RUS. At ACC ther was a huge amount of russian fans, wearing russian jerseys and waving russian flags and to be honest, they were not at their best behavoir, but again: nobody said anything insulting to them or even objected ...so, that's why I'm surprised at your story.. :dunno:

Yeah, I also was treated nicely during most of the other games at the ACC (I had a ticket package for all the five games). I suppose it was a combination of things after the final: people were definitely more drunk and couldn'n restrain themselves as they normally do. I was alone, so that makes for an easy target. I also didn't sulk or despair, but was proud and held my head high...maybe that irritated some of them.
 
Air said:
Not that I'm trying to make your story seem negligible, but I'm a Sens fan in Toronto. I've had worse ... beer, taunting, gestures, road rage ... you just shouldn't go against the grain in Toronto, hockey-wise, if you don't want to be ostracized.

Well, parts of it were exactly like that. i just didn't want to rub the details to people's faces here.
 
what i don't understand is why ao was named the top forward by the iihf when malkin out played him in 4 out of 6 games? and thats just on the russian team . [i guss you cant count the last game ao was hurt] so 3 out of 5 :dunno:
 
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The Old Master said:
what i don't understand is why ao was named the top forward by the iihf when malkin out played him in 4 games to 2? and thats just on the russian team .

I take it thats just your opinion......Malkin played great for sure. I am glad I finally got to see him.....both have bright futures.....but not sure where this 4-2 thing comes from. I only saw the games on ESPN....but going by the numbers Ovechkin out pointed, out goaled, and was on the ice for only 1 goal against the entire tourny...as opposed to 6 for Malkin. I dont want to get into a who is better....and the whole +/- thing...but Ovechkin had a great tournament, whats so hard to understand about that?
 
The Old Master said:
what i don't understand is why ao was named the top forward by the iihf when malkin out played him in 4 out of 6 games?

What I don't understand is how a forward, Bergeron, could win the MVP but not be named top forward as well.
 
Slick Nick said:
good forward on an great team vs great forward on a good team...

Still don't get it. If he was the best player in the tournament, surely he was the best forward as well.
 
Macman said:
Still don't get it. If he was the best player in the tournament, surely he was the best forward as well.
MVP is different than best.
 
A truly dominating performance by Canada from the first exhibition game right up to the final whistle. For once, this team lived up to all of the pre-tourney hype that went on, especially the glory that TSN was already bestowing on this team before the first puck had even been dropped. Kudos to the other teams and especially Russia. They were a worthy gold medal opponent, but the depth, skill, size, speed and most importantly, the composure, of Team Canada came through in the end.

To that end, Hockey Canada made a smart move bringing in Coach Sutter and his staff. It is not a coincidence that the same success happened at the mens game when they starting bringing in guys like Gretzky and Lowe and company. Sometimes the most important moves happen in how you plan for an event, select your staff, select your team, and prepare your players for the event. But you just cannot take away anything from the talent of this team....it was a treat to watch.

As for taunting, well, even though those players out there are playing in NHL sized bodies and look like the real thing...they are still between the ages of 16 to 19. Now, it's been a while since I was in that age group, but I remember doing a little hot dogging, taunting, name calling, acting out myself at that age. These kids will grow up and mature, but this is a prime time stage and a massive spotlight for them and there is tons of pressure. Some can handle it, but others react in different ways. The nice thing is that the future of hockey is great, because this was a showcase of so many good, young promising players from all across North America and Europe. The taunting and immaturity likely will disappear, but the raw talent will not go away.

And that, my friends, is great news for all us passionate and loyal hockey fans.
 
Mothra said:
I take it thats just your opinion......Malkin played great for sure. I am glad I finally got to see him.....both have bright futures.....but not sure where this 4-2 thing comes from. I only saw the games on ESPN....but going by the numbers Ovechkin out pointed, out goaled, and was on the ice for only 1 goal against the entire tourny...as opposed to 6 for Malkin. I dont want to get into a who is better....and the whole +/- thing...but Ovechkin had a great tournament, whats so hard to understand about that?
game 1 us vs rus ao 2 pts em 1 pts ao played better ao1
game 2 cze vs rus ao1 pts em 3pts em played better em1
game 3 blr vs rus em & ao both get 2 pts em had more hits, made more plays em2
game 4sui vs rus ao 3pts em ipt ao played better ao2
game 5us vs rus ao 3pts em 3pts em again more hits, more nice passes, better back checking em3
game 6 us vsrus ao 0, em o em played the whole game and from al acconts played well em4
i also did not see all the games so i could easley be wrong but the above is my best understanding of what happend if anyone else saw i def. pleas say so. i am not saying malkin should be named the top forward i just cant see why ao was.
 
firebear331 said:
:bow: Congratulations team Canada, finally a coach who would not let the boys sit back and it paid off with one dominating performance after another. Alot of people predicted Canada would not win, they only looked good due to a weaker pool. They proved beyond a doubt that this year they are far superior to any of the other teams in this tournament. it would not have mattered who they faced in the final the result would have been the same,one sided domination simply put men playing with boys.
You know what firebear, that is a very good point. Sutter was not gonna let these guys sitback. Not that there was much fear of that anyway, as there were 12 returnees and all of them wanted to erase that bad taste left in their mouths from a year ago.

The part I have a hard time with are these posters who can't admit that Canada deserved it. They had by far the best team on paper and backed it up and then some on the ice. I have always said it is okay to talk trash, but if you're team ends up losing, then take it like a man, don't make up stories to help you sleep at night.

Leading up to this game I read a lot of posts both for Canada and those for Russia aswell. Some were well thought out, touching on what one team would have to do to beat the other, and others were MY TEAM IS GOING TO CRUSH YOU! I understand both, but if you were talking smack for Russia then any way you cut it you have to eat crow.

The big thing was "Oh but Canada still hasn't a played a worthy opponent" Well Russia was the most worthy because they made it to the final, and got absolutely SMACKED!. I won't deny that they are a dynamic bunch and a treat to watch. But Canada had GOLD on their minds and they were gonna stop at nothing to get it.

These same people that claimed Canada was all hype because every team they played were lesser lights, instead of giving Canada the respect they deserve, some are choosing to say that it is so unfortunate that in a year when Canada had their best team, every other team had nothing worth sending.

Amazing how in less then 24 hours, Russia went from the greatest team in the world, to a team that really didn't have all that much...was it the 6-1 drubbing, or the physical ass kicking they took.

My point is simple, the way to beat the Russians was in theory very easy, and every team in this tournament knew it. The problem was that only Canada could carry out that tall order, of shutting down AO and Malkin, taking the body at every opportunity, and taking away time and space on the ice, so that the Russians had no time to work their magic.

Cudos to Team Canada, and the coaching staff, who put together one hell of a team, that will be remembered for its dominance for many years to come.
 
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