It is a 1 year negotiating window. Not sure if teams and agents don’t at least talk in broad terms before that, but nothing can be signed until July 1.
Player Discussion: Winnipeg Jets Defense
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voyageur
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So KFC could sign July 1st, even though his one year negotiating window doesn't start until September 28th? Because he was an RFA when he signed that contract. I honestly have no idea how that works.
Also wrong thread I guess.
All contract years start July 1st, even if the contract was signed after that date with the original signing.
Arniel has directly said they are trying to get Stanley up to a top 6 role this season.
I'm not confident he'll get there this year, or ever. Playoff hockey is a lot faster and Stanley still struggles with pace in the regular season. 3LD isn't that hard a position to fill via trade, so I hope the Jets make a realistic assessment of Stanley before risking another playoff season with a D that was deemed unplayable last playoff, even with two LD injured.
With Stanley the other problem is penalties. The Jets can't afford to put Central opponents on the PP often in the playoffs.
Oh, I'm not saying he will, just trying to figure out what the plan is. A big rangey guy who has some physicality to his game and has a good first pass is a real luxury and you can see that in Stanley. I think its attractive to see if you can get a player like that to that point.
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It's hard to assess Stanley's rookie season, when he got a full 8 games in the playoffs, because he only played 6 teams that year, at least half of which were not great quality, and the whole bubble and taxi squad were unique experiences.
Last playoff he made a nice outlet pass that led to Schmidt's goal. Tied game 4 up at 1-1. Schmidtty -5 in 3 games was a product of poor defending, and it extended not only to Stanley but Samberg's -7 results, who also got caught in Neal Pionk's game 5 yips.
I don't know if us fans can build the perfect team out of all the pieces here. The defensive transition that comes with Chynoweth as a coach has led to more speed, and it's certainly a team desire to play Logan with a faster skater to cover for him.
Where it all settles by playoff time still has to go through the rigours of 46 more games, and so far the pace of losing one d-man every couple of weeks.
I saw Ryan Lindgren posted on the main boards, and that's a guy who has gone through some playoff battles, I'd see a good fit there, if he came to play.
I hope that Arniel as a veteran coach sees toughness as something that is a regular season necessity but when the games aren't for points, but survival, skill and compete are the top qualities.
If the 6, 7, 8 and 9 defensemen all get experience this year, that's 4 depth players who have experience playing against the best competition so far with varying results in the team's success, and should be better for it, when their number gets called.
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Its interesting to think of the actual importance of a third pairing
Right now the teams we have to go through have solid third pairings...
Bischel-lyubushkin, hague-whitecloud, edmundson-spence, merrill-bogo
All.of these third pairing guys have special teams roles...
Right now if we get jomo locked down into a shutdown role like last playoffs we have all the same challenges
Fleury-miller does seem comparable but we are still weak compared to dallas and las vegas D... kings too if doughty is on his game
I just dont think we have the luxury of developing stan and heinola come playoff time... unless heinola starts scoring which seems unlikely.
Right now the teams we have to go through have solid third pairings...
Bischel-lyubushkin, hague-whitecloud, edmundson-spence, merrill-bogo
All.of these third pairing guys have special teams roles...
Right now if we get jomo locked down into a shutdown role like last playoffs we have all the same challenges
Fleury-miller does seem comparable but we are still weak compared to dallas and las vegas D... kings too if doughty is on his game
I just dont think we have the luxury of developing stan and heinola come playoff time... unless heinola starts scoring which seems unlikely.
But, we do have the best goalie who is the best defender of them all.
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I'm just glad that people are bitching and debating the bottom D pairing instead of the top line. It means our issues are getting less significant
Once this is settled, the same people that complain about this can move on to other important debates, like who the assistant equipment manager should be
Once this is settled, the same people that complain about this can move on to other important debates, like who the assistant equipment manager should be
don't buy it. he's played 160+ regular season games and a handful more in the POs. teams know what he is or isn't. the Jets currently have 2 of their regulars at LDs hurt so he is filling in, and playing decently the last couple nights.
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Ville Heinola knows what he has to do to maintain his spot on the Jets roster…
-KEN WIEBE
VILLE Heinola realizes his stat line is rather inconspicuous. Although the sample size is relatively small with only 12 games played this season, Heinola knows the heat is on for him to do more as the jockeying for position on the Winnipeg Jets defensive depth chart continues.
"I don't have any points or anything, so now I feel like I have to start doing something (offensively) if I want to play and want to stay in the lineup," said Heinola. "But the first thing for me is taking care of the D-zone."
Heinola has been taking care of that part of the equation, as he's been on the ice for six goals for and just one against during five-on-five since he returned from an ankle issue that emerged on the first day of training camp in September.
After missing nearly half of last season, being sidelined right out of the gate wasn't exactly a recipe for success for someone trying to establish himself as an NHL regular. Heinola worked hard during rehab and is finally starting to feel like himself again.
"The body feels better every day. It finally feels like I'm finally getting the game shape back and the legs underneath me," said Heinola. "I didn't even play since last May, so it takes a little time to get used to all of the things and the biggest thing for me is that when I do stuff on the ice, I don't have to think about it. It comes naturally and the last couple of games it's been better. But I feel like inside of me there's a lot more that I can give. I just have to find ways to produce more. You have to be patient with it."
After the Jets held an optional workout Friday, assistant coach Dean Chynoweth was asked about patience and how much of it is required when it comes to expectations for a prospect such as Heinola, who was chosen 20th overall in the 2019 NHL Draft.
"Wow, that's a good question," said Chynoweth, who runs the defence. "I would say that every team goes through injuries like this, so depending on the depth of your minor league team ... We're in a situation where we have veteran NHL players that are the depth guys, so that made that transition probably easier, to bring those guys in and out that have NHL experience, than bringing up a young guy from the Moose that hasn't played yet or is just starting out with it. But patience, that's your call. I've got lots of patience."
The same hasn't been said for the fan base when it comes to Heinola's development.
Because he made the Jets unexpectedly out of training camp in the fall of 2019 as an 18 year old and suited up for eight NHL games before he was sent to the Manitoba Moose and eventually returned to play the rest of the season in Finland, Heinola's timeline got skewed.
Then the combination of the pandemic and the original ankle injury he suffered in the final pre-season game in 2023 set things back further.
Although he's still only 23 years old, it feels like Heinola should have established himself as an NHL regular by now.
That's not really relevant to how this chapter of the story will unfold.
Even with Dylan Samberg (broken foot) and Haydn Fleury (lower body) sidelined with injuries, Heinola is trying to show he deserves more ice time and to be in the lineup regularly.
"I know my role on the third pairing. We don't want to get scored on," said Heinola, who has 47 games of NHL experience on his resume. "We'll try to help as much as we can on the offensive side of things. You just have to make the right reads, as to when to play offence and when to maybe not jump or take the extra risk. You just have to know when is the right time to do that."
This isn't an easy balance to strike for any defenceman, especially an offensive one who has thrived on the power play at previous levels, but isn't seeing any special-teams duty now.
"It's hard. If you do too much, it's probably going to cost you," said Heinola. "When you know you can do it, it's a green light to do it. It's just finding the right time to do it and that's probably the learning experience for me."
No doubt that learning will continue, though Heinola knows there's a level of urgency attached to his situation when you consider Samberg is inching closer to returning to the lineup. Once that happens, there's one fewer spot in the regular rotation available to him.
"When you're injured as a young guy, you lose that development time, and you've got to find a way to get it back," said Chynoweth. "We have to do a good job in trying to prepare him and get him ready for those situations. So he's been in and out at different times. There's been stretches that have been good, and other stretches where I'm sure he'd like to be better. But that's part of the learning process, especially when you miss that amount of time."
When it comes to trying to make up for lost time, Dylan Coghlan did a great job of jumping back into the Jets' lineup earlier this week when he suited up in consecutive NHL games for the first time this season.
"I honestly felt like my game was right where it needed to be and I'm trying to show (coach Arniel) that I can do it every night," said Coghlan. "I just trust myself and trust the people around me. That's huge too, to be able to trust your teammates and having them know that I'm going to make that play and me knowing that they're going to be in the right area for me to be able to make the play."
-KEN WIEBE
VILLE Heinola realizes his stat line is rather inconspicuous. Although the sample size is relatively small with only 12 games played this season, Heinola knows the heat is on for him to do more as the jockeying for position on the Winnipeg Jets defensive depth chart continues.
"I don't have any points or anything, so now I feel like I have to start doing something (offensively) if I want to play and want to stay in the lineup," said Heinola. "But the first thing for me is taking care of the D-zone."
Heinola has been taking care of that part of the equation, as he's been on the ice for six goals for and just one against during five-on-five since he returned from an ankle issue that emerged on the first day of training camp in September.
After missing nearly half of last season, being sidelined right out of the gate wasn't exactly a recipe for success for someone trying to establish himself as an NHL regular. Heinola worked hard during rehab and is finally starting to feel like himself again.
"The body feels better every day. It finally feels like I'm finally getting the game shape back and the legs underneath me," said Heinola. "I didn't even play since last May, so it takes a little time to get used to all of the things and the biggest thing for me is that when I do stuff on the ice, I don't have to think about it. It comes naturally and the last couple of games it's been better. But I feel like inside of me there's a lot more that I can give. I just have to find ways to produce more. You have to be patient with it."
After the Jets held an optional workout Friday, assistant coach Dean Chynoweth was asked about patience and how much of it is required when it comes to expectations for a prospect such as Heinola, who was chosen 20th overall in the 2019 NHL Draft.
"Wow, that's a good question," said Chynoweth, who runs the defence. "I would say that every team goes through injuries like this, so depending on the depth of your minor league team ... We're in a situation where we have veteran NHL players that are the depth guys, so that made that transition probably easier, to bring those guys in and out that have NHL experience, than bringing up a young guy from the Moose that hasn't played yet or is just starting out with it. But patience, that's your call. I've got lots of patience."
The same hasn't been said for the fan base when it comes to Heinola's development.
Because he made the Jets unexpectedly out of training camp in the fall of 2019 as an 18 year old and suited up for eight NHL games before he was sent to the Manitoba Moose and eventually returned to play the rest of the season in Finland, Heinola's timeline got skewed.
Then the combination of the pandemic and the original ankle injury he suffered in the final pre-season game in 2023 set things back further.
Although he's still only 23 years old, it feels like Heinola should have established himself as an NHL regular by now.
That's not really relevant to how this chapter of the story will unfold.
Even with Dylan Samberg (broken foot) and Haydn Fleury (lower body) sidelined with injuries, Heinola is trying to show he deserves more ice time and to be in the lineup regularly.
"I know my role on the third pairing. We don't want to get scored on," said Heinola, who has 47 games of NHL experience on his resume. "We'll try to help as much as we can on the offensive side of things. You just have to make the right reads, as to when to play offence and when to maybe not jump or take the extra risk. You just have to know when is the right time to do that."
This isn't an easy balance to strike for any defenceman, especially an offensive one who has thrived on the power play at previous levels, but isn't seeing any special-teams duty now.
"It's hard. If you do too much, it's probably going to cost you," said Heinola. "When you know you can do it, it's a green light to do it. It's just finding the right time to do it and that's probably the learning experience for me."
No doubt that learning will continue, though Heinola knows there's a level of urgency attached to his situation when you consider Samberg is inching closer to returning to the lineup. Once that happens, there's one fewer spot in the regular rotation available to him.
"When you're injured as a young guy, you lose that development time, and you've got to find a way to get it back," said Chynoweth. "We have to do a good job in trying to prepare him and get him ready for those situations. So he's been in and out at different times. There's been stretches that have been good, and other stretches where I'm sure he'd like to be better. But that's part of the learning process, especially when you miss that amount of time."
When it comes to trying to make up for lost time, Dylan Coghlan did a great job of jumping back into the Jets' lineup earlier this week when he suited up in consecutive NHL games for the first time this season.
"I honestly felt like my game was right where it needed to be and I'm trying to show (coach Arniel) that I can do it every night," said Coghlan. "I just trust myself and trust the people around me. That's huge too, to be able to trust your teammates and having them know that I'm going to make that play and me knowing that they're going to be in the right area for me to be able to make the play."
Weird correlation and super meta, but, I think there is a correlation between those who prefer VH prefering Ehlers to those who prefer Stan and prefer KC.
And what about the overlap of people who like both ehlers and connor, and beleive that neither Stanley or Heinola are suited for the team for a deep PO run, Einstein?
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I'd kindly settle for a tall glass of milk.
I'd also point out some posters, especially one in particular, keeps exploiting this, constantly changing positions, gaining undeserved equity playing one group off the other.
I'm okay with people's opinions evolving, but it's okay to dig in a little, for an extended period too.
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What does this equity actually get them. I have been on team Connor since 2018 if you look at my earlier posts. I am also in team Stanley over Heinola in case my official position needs to be stated. Also, fine with Fleury coming over Stan, but, not Heinola coming in over Stan.
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I'd kindly settle for a tall glass of milk.
It's been a never ending stream of playing devil's advocate, trolling (I'm assuming), going from a mixture of urban/rural speak to putting together well contructed sentences, to playing dumb like Piers Morgan with your questions when you already have an answer in mind.
I doubt this just occurred to you.
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