Player Discussion: Winnipeg Jets Defense

[LowLefty]

He does best with Samberg, but both do worse without each other. With both Morrissey and Fleury a little worse. Not enough time with Stanley to really say but the 10 minutes together they have a xGF% of 86.85%, but no actual goals either way. Overall Pionk rates out in the top half of the team on most measures. He certainly isn't a liability for us statistic wise.

Thanks King -
Yes, I would hope at $6M is he not a liability -

 

[voyageur]

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[Gm0ney]

Pionk measures out well so far this season, no mater what advanced stat you look at. He is right up there with our top forwards on 5 on 5 GF/60 of 2.96, with a GF% of 56.25%. Bottom line is the Jets score more then they give up 5-5 with Pionk on the ice.

The Jets were doing better with him when Samberg was his partner. Since Samberg's injury, Pionk's play has suffered greatly.

Last season the Jets did far better with Pionk off the ice. Same thing in 2022-23.

You say he measures out well so far this season no matter what advanced stat you look at? Among the 7 Jets defensemen who've played 200 minutes this season, he's either 5th, 6th or 7th in terms of giving up shot attempts, expected goals against, scoring chances against, HD scoring chances against and actual goals against at 5v5.

Last year, same thing. Year before that, same thing. Year before THAT, same thing.

You have to go back to the shortened Canada Division 2020-21 season before you can find Pionk outside of the basement of Jets defensemen. He played 83% of his 5v5 minutes with Forbert that year.

 

[Crocket]

I wonder if Boston would trade Hampus Lindholm? He would probably pair really well with Josh. Plus the unknown variable of Pionk signing.
DeMelo, Perfetti and a 2nd?

 

[Gm0ney]

I wonder if Boston would trade Hampus Lindholm? He would probably pair really well with Josh. Plus the unknown variable of Pionk signing.
DeMelo, Perfetti and a 2nd?

 

[Board Bard]

Pretty much. Some of it is bad luck for sure.

The Jets have specific roles they want filled by specific slots in their lineup. Ville just isn't a lot right now. Feels more like he is being showcased with ice time, but not in a way that will draw another team to him.

At least he is getting a chance to kick down the door as you say. This team isn't in development mode right now, so I get it.

The team isn't in development mode right now but they insist on developing Stanley after already doing so for years and years. So they're in selective development mode. Too bad they selected poorly.

 

[MardyBum]

"Yeah he's been very good look at the dmans GF/60(?)"

Edit: Can sprinkle in the roadtrip excuse but it's every year with this "top 4 dman" not being a top 4 dman and needing his partner to carry the luggage.

 

[KingBogo]

"Yeah he's been very good look at the dmans GF/60(?)"

Edit: Can sprinkle in the roadtrip excuse but it's every year with this "top 4 dman" not being a top 4 dman and needing his partner to carry the luggage.

So your argument is we should judge players on the smallest sample size possible as it suites are our argument?

 

[MardyBum]

So your argument is we should judge players on the smallest sample size possible as it suites are our argument?

Would you like to judge him on the large sample size?

Thought the whole narrative was he was "back" this year?

 

[Flair Hay]

The team isn't in development mode right now but they insist on developing Stanley after already doing so for years and years. So they're in selective development mode. Too bad they selected poorly.

I have no retort for this lol

 

[voyageur]

"Yeah he's been very good look at the dmans GF/60(?)"

Edit: Can sprinkle in the roadtrip excuse but it's every year with this "top 4 dman" not being a top 4 dman and needing his partner to carry the luggage.

Buddy we have a defenseman that is top 10 in the league in scoring and he's got a positive goal differential. He's not being caved out there if you have 2 eyes and half a brain. But these xG arguments...You guys solved the matrix. Smarter than Arniel. Good job. You guys are just shit disturbers spreading shit on this forum.

The same ASSES that kept whining about Connor being worse than Ehlers and there we have it, the 2nd best scoring trio in the NHL.

 

[Buffdog]

Would you like to judge him on the large sample size?

Thought the whole narrative was he was "back" this year?

Hockey is unique because a player's performance can depend largely on who he's out there with

Pionk is the type of player that needs someone to help elevate him. Does that make him "bad"? I'd argue that a player that CAN'T be elevated by anyone is the true "bad" player

The beauty of team sports is that players have teammates, and sometimes certain players compliment other players well

 

[Gm0ney]

Would you like to judge him on the large sample size?

Thought the whole narrative was he was "back" this year?

Pionk's been bleeding chances for years but 15 good games this season and he's all fixed I guess.

Buddy we have a defenseman that is top 10 in the league in scoring and he's got a positive goal differential. He's not being caved out there if you have 2 eyes and half a brain. But these xG arguments...You guys solved the matrix. Smarter than Arniel. Good job. You guys are just shit disturbers spreading shit on this forum.

The same ASSES that kept whining about Connor being worse than Ehlers and there we have it, the 2nd best scoring trio in the NHL.

The 2nd best scoring trio in the NHL because they have the most minutes together. CSV is #1 in TOI and #22 in Goals-For/60. And 10th worst in Goals-Against/60. Out of 33 forward lines that have 150+ minutes together this year, they're 25th in goal differential...but I guess goals against don't count in your ASSESsment...