Player Discussion: Winnipeg Jets Defense

LowLefty

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He does best with Samberg, but both do worse without each other. With both Morrissey and Fleury a little worse. Not enough time with Stanley to really say but the 10 minutes together they have a xGF% of 86.85%, but no actual goals either way. Overall Pionk rates out in the top half of the team on most measures. He certainly isn't a liability for us statistic wise.
Thanks King -
Yes, I would hope at $6M is he not a liability -
 
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voyageur

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Pionk measures out well so far this season, no mater what advanced stat you look at. He is right up there with our top forwards on 5 on 5 GF/60 of 2.96, with a GF% of 56.25%. Bottom line is the Jets score more then they give up 5-5 with Pionk on the ice.
 
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Gm0ney

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Pionk measures out well so far this season, no mater what advanced stat you look at. He is right up there with our top forwards on 5 on 5 GF/60 of 2.96, with a GF% of 56.25%. Bottom line is the Jets score more then they give up 5-5 with Pionk on the ice.
The Jets were doing better with him when Samberg was his partner. Since Samberg's injury, Pionk's play has suffered greatly.

Last season the Jets did far better with Pionk off the ice. Same thing in 2022-23.

You say he measures out well so far this season no matter what advanced stat you look at? Among the 7 Jets defensemen who've played 200 minutes this season, he's either 5th, 6th or 7th in terms of giving up shot attempts, expected goals against, scoring chances against, HD scoring chances against and actual goals against at 5v5.

Last year, same thing. Year before that, same thing. Year before THAT, same thing.

You have to go back to the shortened Canada Division 2020-21 season before you can find Pionk outside of the basement of Jets defensemen. He played 83% of his 5v5 minutes with Forbert that year.
 

Crocket

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I wonder if Boston would trade Hampus Lindholm? He would probably pair really well with Josh. Plus the unknown variable of Pionk signing.
DeMelo, Perfetti and a 2nd?
 

Gm0ney

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I wonder if Boston would trade Hampus Lindholm? He would probably pair really well with Josh. Plus the unknown variable of Pionk signing.
DeMelo, Perfetti and a 2nd?
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Board Bard

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Pretty much. Some of it is bad luck for sure.

The Jets have specific roles they want filled by specific slots in their lineup. Ville just isn't a lot right now. Feels more like he is being showcased with ice time, but not in a way that will draw another team to him.

At least he is getting a chance to kick down the door as you say. This team isn't in development mode right now, so I get it.
The team isn't in development mode right now but they insist on developing Stanley after already doing so for years and years. So they're in selective development mode. Too bad they selected poorly.
 

KingBogo

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"Yeah he's been very good look at the dmans GF/60(?)"

Edit: Can sprinkle in the roadtrip excuse but it's every year with this "top 4 dman" not being a top 4 dman and needing his partner to carry the luggage.

So your argument is we should judge players on the smallest sample size possible as it suites are our argument?
 

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