Proposal: Winnipeg/Anaheim - Stoner deal

[Pinkfloyd]

Just thought it was worth asking. Frankly, I think Dano & Larrson/Theodore are ~ equal value, but D-men seem to be valued higher these days. That plus Stoner might have minimal value to us so it isn't completely a cash dump.

To expect someone to give you a top 6 or top 9 forward for Stoner + a first (probably a late first) seems unrealistic to me. Can't see any team that would be interested in doing that because taking on Stoner's salary is a huge + for you guys. You'd have to find a team that has excess forwards, and could use a late 1st PLUS can handle (or use) your cash dump. GMs aren't that interested in making life easier for a fellow GM that needs to dump a player.

I don't think the expectation for Stoner plus a 1st is a top six forward. Maybe top nine but I think they're just looking for a cheap forward if there is even a return there at all. The cap space to sign Lindholm is probably more what they're looking at. The only way that they'd ask for something like a top six or top nine is if a team is asking for a prospect like Theodore or Montour or Larsson because of how insanely valuable those three are at this stage. And I think at this point, it's clear that Dano is not as valuable as any of those three and that's probably taking less than what they could get for him in that scenario. I'm sure many teams would knock at the door with a better cheap young player than Dano to try and get any of those three.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I think this happens every time any trade comes up for an ANA D. Suddenly all your prospects become sure thing top 2 prospects (at worst top 4 prospects) & likewise with most of your existing D-men. Certainly there are various lists of where the prospects rank, just don't have access to one now.

Anyways, can see where Dano might not be rated quite as high as Theodore/Larsson but the difference would be minimal. I'm sure you will have to trade someone to get Lindholm signed, should be interesting

So you would move Morrissey for Dano and a small + , I find that hard to believe... dmen are much harder to predict and rate... all I know is Theodore was top 5 d prospect pre draft, and montour was right on his tail and larsson beat both of them out at camp.

It's not like lindholm was super highly rated as a prospect when he came into the NHL.... you can't always look strictly at rankings after the sure fire guys lots of things can happen.

 

[CaptainChef]

So you would move Morrissey for Dano and a small + , I find that hard to believe... dmen are much harder to predict and rate... all I know is Theodore was top 5 d prospect pre draft, and montour was right on his tail and larsson beat both of them out at camp.

It's not like lindholm was super highly rated as a prospect when he came into the NHL.... you can't always look strictly at rankings after the sure fire guys lots of things can happen.

If we were stocked with D-men prospects & playing defense, but we were really needing forward prospects, yes I would consider trading Morrissey. That clearly is not the case, you guys are ones stocked at D & needing Fs, we are stocked at F and need D.

I realize some of your D-men and prospects could be off limits, but seriously to have all of them rated as top pairing or nearly, I just don't buy it.

 

[lindholmie]

Just thought it was worth asking. Frankly, I think Dano & Larrson/Theodore are ~ equal value, but D-men seem to be valued higher these days. That plus Stoner might have minimal value to us so it isn't completely a cash dump.

To expect someone to give you a top 6 or top 9 forward for Stoner + a first (probably a late first) seems unrealistic to me. Can't see any team that would be interested in doing that because taking on Stoner's salary is a huge + for you guys. You'd have to find a team that has excess forwards, and could use a late 1st PLUS can handle (or use) your cash dump. GMs aren't that interested in making life easier for a fellow GM that needs to dump a player.

I think this happens every time any trade comes up for an ANA D. Suddenly all your prospects become sure thing top 2 prospects (at worst top 4 prospects) & likewise with most of your existing D-men. Certainly there are various lists of where the prospects rank, just don't have access to one now.

Anyways, can see where Dano might not be rated quite as high as Theodore/Larsson but the difference would be minimal. I'm sure you will have to trade someone to get Lindholm signed, should be interesting

dont the jets have a bunch of potential top 6 wingers? having laine doesnt give connor or ehlers less value. theodore, larsson and montour are some of the best d prospects

 

[lindholmie]

If we were stocked with D-men prospects & playing defense, but we were really needing forward prospects, yes I would consider trading Morrissey. That clearly is not the case, you guys are ones stocked at D & needing Fs, we are stocked at F and need D.

I realize some of your D-men and prospects could be off limits, but seriously to have all of them rated as top pairing or nearly, I just don't buy it.

larsson and theodore have top pairing potential. montour potential is probably what vatanen is now. again. laine, ehlers and connors have potential to be first line wingers. noone denies that

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

If we were stocked with D-men prospects & playing defense, but we were really needing forward prospects, yes I would consider trading Morrissey. That clearly is not the case, you guys are ones stocked at D & needing Fs, we are stocked at F and need D.

I realize some of your D-men and prospects could be off limits, but seriously to have all of them rated as top pairing or nearly, I just don't buy it.

I haven't called any of our dmen top pairing, outside of lindholm. I think a jets fan called Theodore a top 2 dmen. I've said I'd trade Theodore or montour but not packaged with stoner for lesser value. The question was would you trade Morrissey for Dano and a small +.

If we were to move theodore montour or larsson it would be 1 for 1 for like prospect... and I still feel it would take slight over pay to get a larsson or montour because their potential needs rising.

 

[johna2626]

dont the jets have a bunch of potential top 6 wingers? having laine doesnt give connor or ehlers less value. theodore, larsson and montour are some of the best d prospects

To be fair, Laine, Ehlers, and Connor were much higher rated prospects, and were drafted higher than Theo, Larsson, and Montour. Theo and Connor were drafted about the same, but Connor was rated by many in the top ten of one of the deepest drafts we've ever seen.

 

[Exit Dose]

If we were stocked with D-men prospects & playing defense, but we were really needing forward prospects, yes I would consider trading Morrissey. That clearly is not the case, you guys are ones stocked at D & needing Fs, we are stocked at F and need D.

I realize some of your D-men and prospects could be off limits, but seriously to have all of them rated as top pairing or nearly, I just don't buy it.

Anaheim doesn't really need forward prospects, though.

 

[lindholmie]

To be fair, Laine, Ehlers, and Connor were much higher rated prospects, and were drafted higher than Theo, Larsson, and Montour. Theo and Connor were drafted about the same, but Connor was rated by many in the top ten of one of the deepest drafts we've ever seen.

oh i know that. but all 3 ducks d prospects value have skyrocketed. theodore is pretty well known. montour destroyed the ahl as a rookie and larsson is 19 and playing with the ducks. a jets fan said theyre all close to dano in value. im saying thats wrong

 

[Johnny HFBOARDS]

Alot of talk here about trade value when the real Trade happening is
eg. Lindholm+Dano/Armia in exchange for Theodore & Stoner.

Ducks are trading because their GM is bored on a Sunday, it's because they have to make a trade.

Ducks are the underdogs with the future trade that has to happen.

 

[Exit Dose]

Alot of talk here about trade value when the real Trade happening is
eg. Lindholm+Dano/Armia in exchange for Theodore & Stoner.

Ducks are trading because their GM is bored on a Sunday, it's because they have to make a trade.

Ducks are the underdogs with the future trade that has to happen.

Weird how the only trades we can make involve Theodore and Montour.

 

[johna2626]

oh i know that. but all 3 ducks d prospects value have skyrocketed. theodore is pretty well known. montour destroyed the ahl as a rookie and larsson is 19 and playing with the ducks. a jets fan said theyre all close to dano in value. im saying thats wrong

Many fans (not just Jet fans) believe he is the 19 year old that came up to the NHL and scored 21 points in 35 games. I think that's just a hot streak. He's never put up many points in the AHL. I've never been a fan of his, even before he was a Jet. I also don't think he'll be anymore than a third liner for the Jets.