Proposal: Winnipeg/Anaheim - Stoner deal

[CaptainChef]

Eh I think its more weve had fans from all over asking bout our 3 d prospects and our 3 young nhl dmen... we are more or less worn out from responding when al they have to do is read a little further back.


That being said its an interesting concept... and like I said idk that dano/armia get it done if Theodore is added to stoner, I feel like that would be out bid but the concept/idea is decent, at the end of the day id rather give up a 1st pick with stoner to get rid of his contract and trade Theodore or Montour at full value for a like rated/skilled and more established forward prospect, because that's what we would be drafting with our 1st anyway

I don't see how you'd get better value giving a 1st rather than taking one of the guys. Both are first rounders who are just breaking into the league & show promise. The only reason why we'd give one of them up is because we are overstocked with good young forwards & F prospects and severely understocked with decent D prospects.

 

[Ducks in a row]

If the Duck are offering Theodore with Stoner I would hope the Oilers are all over it . I would rather a right hand d but bagger can't be choosers

If we are offering Theodore with Stoner it won't be to division rival Oilers.

 

[SLAYER]

Awful title. Wouldn't take Stoner's awful contract either.

 

[Duck Off]

So, despite the catchy heading, Jets are not so much interested in Stoner as they are in getting a depth LHD in the deal. But Ana needs to shed cap, and this is one of the easiest ways to do it. In fact, I suggested this deal on the Ana trade boards & got only one luke-warm response, suggesting its pretty close!

Lot of talk on the Ana boards about needing to shed a decent prospect to get rid of Stoner's cap hit (3.25 x 2 left). Montour has been mentioned a couple times (and he'd be great except that he's RHD and we need a LHD). Montour's salary is similar to Theodore's (actually higher) so I presume they are ~ equal prospects.

Deal I would propose is that we give ANA a good F prospect like Dano/Armia in exchange for Theodore & Stoner.

That gets rid of ANA's Stoner problem (allowing them to sign Lindholm) & gets them a promising young forward that can fit right into their top 6 or 9. Thoughts? -- are we giving AHA too much to get rid of their problem?

kind of a dick move to title it that way. I get that you want people to read your post, but that's lame.

 

[Duck Off]

IF the Ducks were offering Theodore or Montour as part of a Stoner trade; I strongly believe teams with room would make a better offer.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I don't see how you'd get better value giving a 1st rather than taking one of the guys. Both are first rounders who are just breaking into the league & show promise. The only reason why we'd give one of them up is because we are overstocked with good young forwards & F prospects and severely understocked with decent D prospects.

I didn't mean to the Jets I meant In general... Theodore and montour right now are > our first pick and I think alone theo and montour are worth more then Dano and arMia. I'd rather package the 1st with stoner to a team with space and if we move Theodore I'd rather it be for and equal forward.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

No one is taking Stoners contract, Unless either Theodore/Montour is attached to it.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Id much rather add the 1st over Montour/Theodore/larsson cause I feel like we can trade 1 of them for a established forward prospect that we would likely be looking for in the draft any how. Or a 2nd+, so moving 1 of those 3 with stoner I hope is more of a last resort.

If they can find a way to move Stoner with their 1st, I think they should. And I probably wouldn't trade any of them for an established forward prospect either. I can see why you might but I'd probably avoid it. One, they should be looking to move on from Bieksa this off-season as well as probably Despres. I also doubt that the Ducks will re-sign Fowler when his contract comes up so having those cheap defensemen is going to be critical to maintaining their quality blue line going forward. If they want to get that forward and get out of ahead of losing Fowler to free agency, probably trade him this off-season. If I'm Anaheim, I'm doing everything I can to not move any of those three.

I don't see how you'd get better value giving a 1st rather than taking one of the guys. Both are first rounders who are just breaking into the league & show promise. The only reason why we'd give one of them up is because we are overstocked with good young forwards & F prospects and severely understocked with decent D prospects.

Anaheim gets better value because the guys they have knocking on the door of their lineup are more proven commodities than a 1st round pick of theirs for next year. Anyone they draft with that pick is likely a minimum of two years away.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Pink basically summed it all up.... I'm okay moving theo or montour for an equally talented forward prospect... we generally draft well at defenders but forward is kinda hit or miss unless the pick was traded to us from Toronto

 

[JetsFan815]

I woudn't add Dano to the trade. It would have to be Stoner and one of Larsson/Theodore for someone like Lowry & a 3rd. If it's Montour then get rid of Lowry or the 3rd from the trade. Bryan Bickell who only had 1 year left on this contract fetched Teravainen without a major piece going the other way. Stoner who has 2 years left must fetch back an equivalent return at the very least.

 

[Flair Hay]

Ducks fans are right that they'd be better off trading a 1st as oppose to Theo or Montour

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I woudn't add Dano to the trade. It would have to be Stoner and one of Larsson/Theodore for someone like Lowry & a 3rd. If it's Montour then get rid of Lowry or the 3rd from the trade. Bryan Bickell who only had 1 year left on this contract fetched Teravainen without a major piece going thue other way. Stoner who has 2 years left must fetch back an equivalent return at the very least.

And if that's the case well just add the first to stoner to a team with space... and hold on to our 3 young dmen

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Pink basically summed it all up.... I'm okay moving theo or montour for an equally talented forward prospect... we generally draft well at defenders but forward is kinda hit or miss unless the pick was traded to us from Toronto

I don't know. You're probably hitting with Ottawa's pick and Max Jones will probably be a solid contributor. It's been a while since I've seen a Ducks early pick not do well.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I woudn't add Dano to the trade. It would have to be Stoner and one of Larsson/Theodore for someone like Lowry & a 3rd. If it's Montour then get rid of Lowry or the 3rd from the trade. Bryan Bickell who only had 1 year left on this contract fetched Teravainen without a major piece going the other way. Stoner who has 2 years left must fetch back an equivalent return at the very least.

I don't know why you believe that Montour's value is somehow lower than Larsson/Theodore first of all. Secondly, the Bickell thing is not a direct comparable for a few reasons. One, Stoner is an NHL caliber player and Bickell isn't. Two, Chicago had fewer options to move that contract compared to Anaheim. Three, Stoner is much more manageable in part because of Anaheim's flexibility and his play level still being NHL caliber. The Bickell deal also returned a 2nd and a 3rd. I don't see Dano or Lowry's value as anything higher than that either.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I don't know. You're probably hitting with Ottawa's pick and Max Jones will probably be a solid contributor. It's been a while since I've seen a Ducks early pick not do well.

True Ritchie should be a solid power forward in time, hopefully they stay patient with him. I love the jones pick and think it was a bit under rated due to the fact he played behind some high caliber players last year, I expect his #'s to be pretty good this year playing a more top line role.


I was more referring to Rakell(Toronto traded to us) and I'm loving what sam Steel has done sense draft tho I see him more of a project, but def excited about how he has looked (8 games 9 goals 10 assist).

 

[anezthes]

Not interested in trading Theo.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I don't know why you believe that Montour's value is somehow lower than Larsson/Theodore first of all. Secondly, the Bickell thing is not a direct comparable for a few reasons. One, Stoner is an NHL caliber player and Bickell isn't. Two, Chicago had fewer options to move that contract compared to Anaheim. Three, Stoner is much more manageable in part because of Anaheim's flexibility and his play level still being NHL caliber. The Bickell deal also returned a 2nd and a 3rd. I don't see Dano or Lowry's value as anything higher than that either.

Montour tends to get overlooked but I think a lot of duck fans feel he has passed Theodore on our depth chart or at least got up to him.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Montour tends to get overlooked but I think a lot of duck fans feel he has passed Theodore on our depth chart or at least got up to him.

I don't think they're truly competing with one another over a spot. Montour is right there on the right side waiting for a spot to open. Theodore is right there on the left side waiting for a spot to open. I'm interested to see whether Larsson is just on an extended tryout or if he has legitimately passed at least Theodore up. However, I don't how anyone can look over Montour after putting up 57 points in 68 games in the AHL. That is ridiculous.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I don't think they're truly competing with one another over a spot. Montour is right there on the right side waiting for a spot to open. Theodore is right there on the left side waiting for a spot to open. I'm interested to see whether Larsson is just on an extended tryout or if he has legitimately passed at least Theodore up. However, I don't how anyone can look over Montour after putting up 57 points in 68 games in the AHL. That is ridiculous.

Honestly Larsson has looked great, very comparable to lindholm in his first few games in the nhl, the big difference which to me helps Larsson is he didn't have a season in the AHL so its slightly more impressive that hes done well(coming from the international ice) . He has been our 2nd best dmen outside of fowler this season, and has improved every game, seems to be very smart and learn from his mistakes.


True bout Montour and theo... and honestly I think Larsson doing so well kinda makes Theodore expendable if the right forward trade came up.

 

[CaptainChef]

Just thought it was worth asking. Frankly, I think Dano & Larrson/Theodore are ~ equal value, but D-men seem to be valued higher these days. That plus Stoner might have minimal value to us so it isn't completely a cash dump.

To expect someone to give you a top 6 or top 9 forward for Stoner + a first (probably a late first) seems unrealistic to me. Can't see any team that would be interested in doing that because taking on Stoner's salary is a huge + for you guys. You'd have to find a team that has excess forwards, and could use a late 1st PLUS can handle (or use) your cash dump. GMs aren't that interested in making life easier for a fellow GM that needs to dump a player.

 

[johna2626]

Just thought it was worth asking. Frankly, I think Dano & Larrson/Theodore are ~ equal value, but D-men seem to be valued higher these days. That plus Stoner might have minimal value to us so it isn't completely a cash dump.

To expect someone to give you a top 6 or top 9 forward for Stoner + a first (probably a late first) seems unrealistic to me. Can't see any team that would be interested in doing that because taking on Stoner's salary is a huge + for you guys. You'd have to find a team that has excess forwards, and could use a late 1st PLUS can handle (or use) your cash dump. GMs aren't that interested in making life easier for a fellow GM that needs to dump a player.

Theodore is closer to a Kyle Connor than a Dano. I don't think Dano will ever be above a third liner, while Theodore is likely going to be a top pairing D-man

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Just thought it was worth asking. Frankly, I think Dano & Larrson/Theodore are ~ equal value, but D-men seem to be valued higher these days. That plus Stoner might have minimal value to us so it isn't completely a cash dump.

To expect someone to give you a top 6 or top 9 forward for Stoner + a first (probably a late first) seems unrealistic to me. Can't see any team that would be interested in doing that because taking on Stoner's salary is a huge + for you guys. You'd have to find a team that has excess forwards, and could use a late 1st PLUS can handle (or use) your cash dump. GMs aren't that interested in making life easier for a fellow GM that needs to dump a player.

Oh I wasn't saying stoner + 1st gets us a top 6 forward I meant to get rid of stoners contract id add a first... ill take back a 5th if it means stoners contract is off the books.
Something like Stoner + 1st for a 5th or lesser forward prospect would be perfectly okay with me if it mean keeping Larsson/Theodore/Montour


As for dano being rated as high as Theodore and Montour I think that's a bit generous to dano... Theodore is 1 of the higher rated d prospects in the world, and Montour is a position (right handed offensive dmen) a lot of teams would love to have. Would you trade morrisey for a player of danos caliber?


Oh you said Larsson well Larsson past up Theodore and Montour on our depth chart it seems so that says a lot about his skill/potential.

 

[caliamad]

I don't think we are going to realistically be able to keep Theodore, Montour, and Larrson at the same time. Defense man in particular need some time to develop and while 2 are LHD and 1 are RHD, I think of them as pure skill defenseman and they need to be paired with someone a bit more physical than any of them. The one guy I wouldn't consider moving in someone like Manson or Lindholm.

I'm more than happy to move one of them + Stoner, but I'd expect to get a reasonable forward prospect/player back. Someone on an entry contract that could play now or by the end of the season.

Honestly, at this point we're looking for an upgrade over Sorensen/Garbutt/Raymond.

It doesn't sound like Dano is that guy, but the problem is people that are significantly better than him are usually off the table.

But either way, I'd much prefer this scenario than moving Fowler or Vatanen while we have some sort of Cup Window still open.

 

[lindholmie]

Just thought it was worth asking. Frankly, I think Dano & Larrson/Theodore are ~ equal value, but D-men seem to be valued higher these days. That plus Stoner might have minimal value to us so it isn't completely a cash dump.

To expect someone to give you a top 6 or top 9 forward for Stoner + a first (probably a late first) seems unrealistic to me. Can't see any team that would be interested in doing that because taking on Stoner's salary is a huge + for you guys. You'd have to find a team that has excess forwards, and could use a late 1st PLUS can handle (or use) your cash dump. GMs aren't that interested in making life easier for a fellow GM that needs to dump a player.

lol what? theodore is closer to connor. larsson is 19 years old and playing great in the nhl

 

[CaptainChef]

Oh I wasn't saying stoner + 1st gets us a top 6 forward I meant to get rid of stoners contract id add a first... ill take back a 5th if it means stoners contract is off the books.
Something like Stoner + 1st for a 5th or lesser forward prospect would be perfectly okay with me if it mean keeping Larsson/Theodore/Montour


As for dano being rated as high as Theodore and Montour I think that's a bit generous to dano... Theodore is 1 of the higher rated d prospects in the world, and Montour is a position (right handed offensive dmen) a lot of teams would love to have. Would you trade morrisey for a player of danos caliber?


Oh you said Larsson well Larsson past up Theodore and Montour on our depth chart it seems so that says a lot about his skill/potential.

I think this happens every time any trade comes up for an ANA D. Suddenly all your prospects become sure thing top 2 prospects (at worst top 4 prospects) & likewise with most of your existing D-men. Certainly there are various lists of where the prospects rank, just don't have access to one now.

Anyways, can see where Dano might not be rated quite as high as Theodore/Larsson but the difference would be minimal. I'm sure you will have to trade someone to get Lindholm signed, should be interesting