Post-Game Talk: Winless in Minnesota est. 2011

[GordonGraham]

Marc Denis said something worrying about Dach during last night broadcast. Something along the line that Dach was almost cheating, showing lazy habits especially when far away from the puck and off camera (line changes, backchecks, etc.). Denis and Houde agreed that something was off with him and his level of interest in the game. I would have kept Monahan just to groom him, as Money was a hero to Dach and a very positive influence.

The Hawks didnt quit on a guy that young for nothing
How many 20-21 years old 2C got traded in the past 10 years

 

[morhilane]

Pretty frustrating guys...............I did not have them in the playoffs this year, but had them much better than they currently are.
Recently we have been playing better, but this is a serious hole to claim being in the mix.
So many issues, starting with coaching and moving into most of the lineup.

3 more games to the quarter pole.............a very good time to evaluate, and for some reason I have been thinking the quarter pole is when a deal goes down from Hughes to salvage some kind of season. Hiring a guy to help MSL would also be a good move.

MSL clearly doesn't want any "helper". Not sure if Hughes has a deadlin, but him saying that MSL should learn to delegate a few weeks ago points to management not being super happy with how he's doing things...so there is that.

But they seems quite content with watching a shitshow right now, even if the team played a bit better last game.

 

[WeThreeKings]

The Hawks didnt quit on a guy that young for nothing
How many 20-21 years old 2C got traded in the past 10 years

The Hawks were burning it all down for Bedard. They had a price they wanted for Dach and we met it.

 

[admiralcadillac]

MSL clearly doesn't want any "helper". Not sure if Hughes has a deadlin, but him saying that MSL should learn to delegate a few weeks ago points to management not being super happy with how he's doing things...so there is that.

But they seems quite content with watching a shitshow right now, even if the team played a bit better last game.

Any chances at a playoff birth died with Laine’s injury so who cares. It would be fun to watch better hockey though and the vets are the worst offenders on the team.

Dvorak, Armia, Matheson, Savard are playing putrid hockey.

 

[HabsCode]

The Hawks were burning it all down for Bedard. They had a price they wanted for Dach and we met it.

Stilll, you would think they would keep a 21 years old #3OV big C if they saw at least something in him. To quit on the guy that early showed they had no more hope he would be a part of their rebuild long-term.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Stilll, you would think they would keep a 21 years old #3OV big C if they saw at least something in him. To quit on the guy that early showed they had no more hope he would be a part of their rebuild long-term.

You'd think the Ottawa Senators would have kept Zibanejad, too. Sometimes teams are valuing something different at the time of a trade. Kirby was also looking to go out of that environment as they were trying to develop him into a shutdown center and he felt he still had more to give offensively.

Debrincat was still young and they traded him away, too. They weren't keeping a soul on that roster.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He can't handle the defensive part of being a center in the NHL and if he could they might be willing to give him the opportunity you are suggesting. Hughes is fine with us finishing at the bottom of the league because if he wasn't, he would make a trade for a center. After all, we are really bad at the position.

I don't agree. He's solid and can be a good 2nd liner. He's just having a tough time recovering from a lot of time off.

What I'd like to see is him to get a chance to prove it. If we put him there for a good 20 games with our best wingers and he does nothing? Then sure, I'll concede. But right now, I think he's a solid player who's playing a little scared. Partially because of a bad system and paritally because he doesn't want to get hurt again.

 

[Runner77]

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We played much better defensively, it was probably one of our best efforts of the season. The real issue is the drop-off at center after Suzuki, Evans is a 4th line center and Dvorak is awful. That guy would struggle to put up 30 points in the AHL, he makes so many bad mistakes at both ends of the ice. We would be much more competitive with a 50 point NHL center behind Suzuki.

Habs clearly not done re shoring up at center. Over 30 years of weakness at the position and it still all hinges on hope.

 

[OldCraig71]

I don't agree. He's solid and can be a good 2nd liner. He's just having a tough time recovering from a lot of time off.

What I'd like to see is him to get a chance to prove it. If we put him there for a good 20 games with our best wingers and he does nothing? Then sure, I'll concede. But right now, I think he's a solid player who's playing a little scared. Partially because of a bad system and paritally because he doesn't want to get hurt again.

This is not a hill I'm going to die on and I hope that you get your wish and he gets a 20 game audition but we aren't in the loop about what the coach and GM think of him, nor should we be.

I expect to see Caufield back with Suzuki soon, maybe tomorrow night and we might see Dach getting a night off to watch from upstairs.

 

[OldCraig71]

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Habs clearly not done re shoring up at center. Over 30 years of weakness at the position and it still all hinges on hope.

I don't know about you but I am dreaming about the second coming of the great Desharnais.

 

[Runner77]

I don't know about you but I am dreaming about the second coming of the great Desharnais.

Not without the 3rd coming of Therrien.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

This is not a hill I'm going to die on and I hope that you get your wish and he gets a 20 game audition but we aren't in the loop about what the coach and GM think of him, nor should we be.

I expect to see Caufield back with Suzuki soon, maybe tomorrow night and we might see Dach getting a night off to watch from upstairs.

Honestly man, I have no idea what we're going to do. I can only say what I'd hope we do.

Do I think they'll put Dach with those guys? I do not. But I'd like to see it.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

1990 Nordiques Vibes (.288)

Habs currently at .353

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Can't top the ultimate tank ubercommander, Ducharme and his ,256 win percentage (23pts in 45 games).

 

[Team_Spirit]

Right in the nuts?

That's gonna leave a mark

https://x.com/i/web/status/1857514143672135886

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Stilll, you would think they would keep a 21 years old #3OV big C if they saw at least something in him. To quit on the guy that early showed they had no more hope he would be a part of their rebuild long-term.

Possible. But more likely they figured he would never play a full season. It's also possible that the GM just wanted to get rid of everyone so he can say he built the entire team.

 

[RationalExpectations]

That s funny because this Wild team does not look like a contender on paper. Yet they are miles ahead of the Habs. Rebuild or not somedbody should be worried about that : Rossi and Faber are in their D+5, why can t we expect anything from Guhle CC Barron Dach Newhhok while they are in their D +5/6 ?
Looking at their D, Bogosian Merril are worse than Savard. Spurgeon is smart but really small for a first pair D, Chisholm Middleton are also third pairing Dman.
Looking at their forward group : Kaprizov is a superstar, Rossi is a very small center able to take 1st line minutes but not a superstar by any means, Johansson is a bottom 6 guy having to play top 6 due to lack of talent, Zuccarello is ageing and super small yet does have an impact at 5v5, Boldy is already a better winger than anybody the Habs have currently for sure. OEL is a good top 6 center but not a superstar either…

This HABS Team should not be that bad. They are using every excuse to be able to lose and not provide effort. This wild team could also have excuses: too small with Rossi Zucc and Spurgeon, not enough firepower… but guess what they play to win, and that makes all the difference. MTL should be ashamed of how they play, but they are happy and management communication has been so good that many fans are also happy with that…

 

[OldCraig71]

Right in the nuts?

That's gonna leave a mark

https://x.com/i/web/status/1857514143672135886

When it happened I predicted a busted nut and it was a busted nut.

 

[Runner77]

When it happened I predicted a busted nut and it was a busted nut.

I would not want to have that degree of intuitiveness on this matter.

 

[OldCraig71]

I would not want to have that degree of intuitiveness on this matter.

I apologize for my low-brow expertise on the matter but I watched man take a shot to the nads and saw him helped to the dressing room and assumed it was busted.

 

[durojean]

We played much better defensively, it was probably one of our best efforts of the season. The real issue is the drop-off at center after Suzuki, Evans is a 4th line center and Dvorak is awful. That guy would struggle to put up 30 points in the AHL, he makes so many bad mistakes at both ends of the ice. We would be much more competitive with a 50 point NHL center behind Suzuki.

Our centers should still be

Suzuki
Dach
Newhook
Evans

Give the best wingers to the centers that plays better on a given night. Ex.

So after last game our line up should probably look like

Caufield Suzuki Gallagher
Anderson Newhook Slafkovsky
Armia Evans Dvorak
Pezzeta Dach Heineman

Our 1st pp should be

Caufield Suzuki the ones that plays better between Dach and Slaf
Matheson Hutson

 

[teamfirst]

Can't top the ultimate tank ubercommander, Ducharme and his ,256 win percentage (23pts in 45 games).

Just need a 7 games losing streak, don't underestimate our genious coach