Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[ShanahanMan]

danielson 12 points last 12 games with the griffins. Incredibly promising

Needs to score some goals

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

Needs to score some goals

production is production.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

Needs to score some goals

also needs to reconcile quantum gravity, solve the debt crisis and clean my bedroom!

 

[HoweFan]

also needs to reconcile quantum gravity, solve the debt crisis and clean my bedroom!

Can he stop by tonight and shovel my driveway

 

[RabidBadger]

Can he stop by tonight and shovel my driveway

Not until he's done picking up the dog crap in my back yard.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

Griffins lose 3-2 in OT against Texas. Cossa was getting hung out to dry as the Griffs were sloppy in OT. Saved one breakaway but got beat on another

Wallinder had a really good effective game overall

Danielson was quieter than normal and was fumbling the puck at times

 

[HoweFan]

Nice to hear Wallinder had a good game. I really hope he gets in a couple of games with Detroit this year. Gotta give Nate a break. He was a little tired from cleaning up Rabid’s yard and shoveling my snow

 

[SantosHalper]

B-prospect stat watch

Liiga:
Jesse Kiiskinen, 18 gp, 7+9=16, 6 PIM, -5
- U20 NT: 6 gp, 2+4=6, 22 PIM

NCAA:
Max Plante, 1 gp, 0+2=2, 0 PIM (injured)
John Whipple, 10 gp, 0+0, 4 PIM, +4
Fisher Scott, 7 gp, 0+2=2, 0 PIM, +5
Trey Augustine, 7 gp, 1.57 GAA, .941 SV%, 6-1-0, 1 SO
Brady Cleveland, 8 gp, 0+1=1, 11 PIM, +2
Larry Keenan, 10 gp, 0+1=1, 4 PIM, -2
Jack Phelan, 9 gp, 0+0, 2 PIM, -2
Dylan James, 9 gp, 4+0=4, 2 PIM, +2
Owen Mehlenbacher, 5 gp, 0+0, 2 PIM, -4 (injured ?)
Brennan Ali, 10 gp, 3+1=4, 4 PIM, +1
Red Savage, 8 gp, 3+1=4, 0 PIM, +1
Kyle Aucoin, 3 gp, 0+1=1, 0 PIM, +1
Kienan Draper, 9 gp, 2+0=2, 5 PIM, +1

OHL:
Landon Miller, 9 gp, 3.90 GAA, .878 SV%, 4-4-0

Sweden:
Charlie Forslund, 18 gp, 2+4=6, 2 PIM, -3 (J20 Nationell)
Noah Dower-Nilsson, 14 gp, 2+3=5, 4 PIM, +3 (SHL)
- U20 NT: 2 gp, 0+1=1, 4 PIM
Anton Johansson, 12 gp, 0+1=1, 6 PIM (SHL)
Maximilian Kilpinen, 5 gp, 0+0, 0 PIM, -4 (injured ?) (Allsvenskan)
Liam Dower-Nilsson, 16 gp, 7+8=15, 4 PIM, +10 (Allsvenskan)

USHL:
Austin Baker, 13 gp, 3+4=7, 0 PIM, +3
Rudy Guimond, 6 gp, 2.88 GAA, .887 SV%, 1-5-0

DEL:
Kevin Bicker, 12 gp, 0+1=1, 13 PIM, +2

WHL:
Emmit Finnie, 16 gp, 12+13=25, 4 PIM, +7

KHL:
Dmitri Buchelnikov, 24 gp, 7+14=21, 6 PIM, +3

Part 2

Liiga:
Jesse Kiiskinen, 26 gp, 8+14=22, 8 PIM, -5

NCAA:
Max Plante, 5 gp, 2+4=6, 2 PIM, +2
John Whipple, 20 gp, 0+1=1, 6 PIM, +7
Fisher Scott, 15 gp, 0+2=2, 0 PIM, +8
Trey Augustine, 14 gp, 1.98 GAA, .930 SV%, 11-2-1, 2 SO
Brady Cleveland, 16 gp, 0+1=1, 19 PIM, -2
Larry Keenan, 17 gp, 1+1=2, 10 PIM, +2
Jack Phelan, 17 gp, 0+0, 4 PIM, +3
Dylan James, 19 gp, 5+5=10, 4 PIM, -2
Owen Mehlenbacher, 11 gp, 1+0=1, 2 PIM, -3
Brennan Ali, 18 gp, 4+6=10, 8 PIM, -1
Red Savage, 15 gp, 5+4=9, 4 PIM, +4
Kyle Aucoin, 10 gp, 0+1=1, 0 PIM, +2
Kienan Draper, 15 gp, 2+0=2, 9 PIM, -4

OHL:
Landon Miller, 19 gp, 3.67 GAA, .891 SV%, 7-9-0, 1 SO

Sweden:
Charlie Forslund, 30 gp, 4+9=13, 2 PIM, +3 (J20 Nationell)
Noah Dower-Nilsson, 19 gp, 3+3=6, 4 PIM, 0 (SHL)
Anton Johansson, 22 gp, 2+2=4, 36 PIM, -1 (SHL)
Maximilian Kilpinen, 13 gp, 1+1=2, 0 PIM, -4 (Allsvenskan)
Liam Dower-Nilsson, 29 gp, 15+12=27, 8 PIM, +17 (Allsvenskan)

USHL:
Austin Baker, 20 gp, 4+6=10, 0 PIM, +3
Rudy Guimond, 6 gp, 2.88 GAA, .887 SV%, 1-5-0, 1 SO (switched to QMJHL)

DEL:
Kevin Bicker, 18 gp, 0+4=4, 15 PIM, +3 (injured until January)

WHL:
Emmitt Finnie, 29 gp, 19+27=46, 10 PIM, +1

KHL:
Dmitri Buchelnikov, 34 gp, 8+22=30, 10 PIM, -1

QMJHL:
Rudy Guimond, 1 gp, 2.00 GAA, .949 SV%, 1-0-0

 

[lilidk]

Just saw highlights Canada vs Sweden, , looks like ASP was on ice at every single goal against

 

[Pavels Dog]

Just saw highlights Canada vs Sweden, , looks like ASP was on ice at every single goal against

Ok

 

[barriers]

 

[ShanahanMan]

Just saw highlights Canada vs Sweden, , looks like ASP was on ice at every single goal against

Bummer to hear. I noticed he didn’t look good in the prospect camp either. So far he just really shines in the SHL

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Should we do a prospect ranking?

 

[Lampedampe]

ASP
Danielson
Cossa
MBN
Buchelnikov
Augustine
Lombardi
Mazur
Plante
Finnie

 

[Our Lady Peace]

My projection for them + the grade of where I see their current progress to reaching that potential. Yes, I understand to many these look ambitious. Our prospect pool really is that good though

Not all these guys will pan out, and not all of them will be Detroit Red Wings in their careers

Reference:
'A' grade: tracking to be NHL regular within a year's time (e.g. Edvinsson this past summer was a #1/2D, A)
'B' grade: tracking well at pro/college/junior level
'C' grade: either freshly drafted or has been developing with some potential translatable limitations like bigger ice in pro, injury time or stagnation in general
'D' grade: essentially means the prospect has been in the system long enough and is not passing to be a future NHLer (Tuomisto)

1) Nate Danielson; 1/2C --- B/B+
Defensively easily NHL-level, hard to play against. Seamless transition player. Offensively piecing together consistency. Playmaking is great. Want to see more attack with speed and more shooting selfishness

2) Sebastian Cossa; 1G --- B+/A-
Athleticism, skill, size and arguably most importantly, his mental game are all syncing together. That first NHL win was a nice little feather in the cap

3) Axel Sandin-Pellikka; 2D --- C+
I think he will excel on smaller ice offensively quickly, but defensively he will definitely need to adjust longer. And that's okay. His boom legitimately could be massive but I'm tempering expectations

4) Michael Brandsegg-Nygard; 1/2RW --- B-
He's gonna surprise a lot of fans here and also around the NHL when he comes over next year. Super smart, unreal goal scoring prowess, puck play along the boards. Defense-minded too

5) Trey Augustine; 1G --- B-
Probably the most underrated goalie prospect and arguably the most underrated drafted prospect in the entire NHL. He legitimately could be better than Cossa. I'm playing safe with his projection, but look for him to stone-wall every country during the WJC

6) Dmitri Buchelnikov; 2RW --- C+
Need to see how he does on smaller ice and as well so defensively, but loving the progression in his skating and playmaking this year

7) Amadeus Lombardi; 3C --- C+
Great step forward this year up until the injury. I do like him as a 3C. A smarter Veleno, per se?

8) Carter Mazur; 3LW --- C+
Liked what I saw pace-wise in preseason, but he's gonna need the rest of the this year in the AHL after missing over 2 months now

9) William Wallinder; 4D --- C
Always been a boom/busy, needs to clean up his consistency in certain areas defensively. I just feel he's often a step behind the play in ways that will expose him at the next level

10) Emmitt Finnie; 3/4LW --- C+
Possibly have unearthed a bottom 6 buzzsaw. He has taken so many steps right away for a 7th rounder in these 18 months post-draft. Good size too and he's already been working hard in the gym

HM: Max Plante; 2/3LW --- C
He has sneaky poor-man's Guentzel-type potential. Sees plays develop really, really well and I'm excited to see if he becomes an unsung hero for the USA these coming weeks


And there you have it, my homer rant on our best prospects... Don't show the mainboarders

Edit - forgot to add a few words re: Cossa

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Bummer to hear. I noticed he didn’t look good in the prospect camp either. So far he just really shines in the SHL

He won Dman of the tournament last year, so your post doesn’t make any sense. Won the same award at the U18s. So he has been dominate in his age group internationally often ahead of where you would even expect it since we usually view the WJC’s U-20 as a 19 year old tourney. Try again…

 

[HisNoodliness]

My projection for them + the grade of where I see their current progress to reaching that potential. Yes, I understand to many these look ambitious. Our prospect pool really is that good though

Not all these guys will pan out, and not all of them will be Detroit Red Wings in their careers

Reference:
'A' grade: tracking to be NHL regular within a year's time (e.g. Edvinsson this past summer was a #1/2D, A)
'B' grade: tracking well at pro/college/junior level
'C' grade: either freshly drafted or has been developing with some potential translatable limitations like bigger ice in pro, injury time or stagnation in general
'D' grade: essentially means the prospect has been in the system long enough and is not passing to be a future NHLer (Tuomisto)

1) Nate Danielson; 1/2C --- B/B+
Defensively easily NHL-level, hard to play against. Seamless transition player. Offensively piecing together consistency. Playmaking is great. Want to see more attack with speed and more shooting selfishness

2) Sebastian Cossa; 1G --- B+/A-
Athleticism, skill, size and arguably most importantly, his mental game are all syncing together. That first NHL win was a nice little feather in the cap

3) Axel Sandin-Pellikka; 2D --- C+
I think he will excel on smaller ice offensively quickly, but defensively he will definitely need to adjust longer. And that's okay. His boom legitimately could be massive but I'm tempering expectations

4) Michael Brandsegg-Nygard; 1/2RW --- B-
He's gonna surprise a lot of fans here and also around the NHL when he comes over next year. Super smart, unreal goal scoring prowess, puck play along the boards. Defense-minded too

5) Trey Augustine; 1G --- B-
Probably the most underrated goalie prospect and arguably the most underrated drafted prospect in the entire NHL. He legitimately could be better than Cossa. I'm playing safe with his projection, but look for him to stone-wall every country during the WJC

6) Dmitri Buchelnikov; 2RW --- C+
Need to see how he does on smaller ice and as well so defensively, but loving the progression in his skating and playmaking this year

7) Amadeus Lombardi; 3C --- C+
Great step forward this year up until the injury. I do like him as a 3C. A smarter Veleno, per se?

8) Carter Mazur; 3LW --- C+
Liked what I saw pace-wise in preseason, but he's gonna need the rest of the this year in the AHL after missing over 2 months now

9) William Wallinder; 4D --- C
Always been a boom/busy, needs to clean up his consistency in certain areas defensively. I just feel he's often a step behind the play in ways that will expose him at the next level

10) Emmitt Finnie; 3/4LW --- C+
Possibly have unearthed a bottom 6 buzzsaw. He has taken so many steps right away for a 7th rounder in these 18 months post-draft. Good size too and he's already been working hard in the gym

HM: Max Plante; 2/3LW --- C
He has sneaky poor-man's Guentzel-type potential. Sees plays develop really, really well and I'm excited to see if he becomes an unsung hero for the USA these coming weeks


And there you have it, my homer rant on our best prospects... Don't show the mainboarders

Edit - forgot to add a few words re: Cossa

We should all go true Hockey's Future and use that old rating system for a prospect rundown.
A, B, C and D used as certainty ratings, largely like you have, coupled with a number for potential, 9 being a star player, 8 being top of the lineup, 7 being like a middle sixer, 6 on the team- or something like that.

You'd then sort of subtract the severity of your uncertainty to get the expected value. An 8A was likely going to be an 8, 8B would be a 7-8, 8C would probably end up as a 6-7 player etc. I don't remember exactly. But this is close enough for those that never knew HFboards as a weird corner of a more official website.

Personally I view the team something like
1. ASP 9C
2. Danielson 8B
3. Cossa 8.5D (goalies are voodoo, come at me Bench)
4. MBN 8C
5. Buch 8C
6. Augustine 8D
7. Mazur 7B
8. Lombardi 7.5C
9. Wallinder 7C
10. Finnie 7C