Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion, Part II

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Plante with a goal and an assist last night and now up to 12 points in 9 games in the NCAA as an 18-year old.
Do we think there is a chance we bring him over as a one-and-done like Larkin, or do we let him get another year in? I'm good with another year so he can grow a little bit, Larkin was I think 180 when we signed him. Plante is 180 right now actually, according to the UMDB website.

Interesting either way.
 
Has ASP not returned to the SHL yet after the World Juniors? Been really quiet on him
 
Team in front of him has been soupy dog excrement. As has been the coaching. Iowa needs to fire McLean into the sun and find someone new. And Wally came up a few games back. However, the Wild had 3 of their top 4 D out with injury, so not a fair assessment. Admittedly, he's not be amazing, but don't count on his stat line for a reliable measuring stick as he hasn't been as bad as it would seem. Like another poster said, still up in the air.
Im thinking you're a Minny fan based on your location. Its not me saying Wallstedt is for sure a bust or cant be better... there was a large chunk of fans on this board that from draft day onwards made it seem like Wallstedt the obvious pick, even with Bob Mckenzie saying it was like a 60-40 split amongst scouts at draft time.

They wouldn't shut up about it, even when Cossa was coming around and developing. Now they've disappeared since Cossa has been playing like a stud. No one saying I was wrong or that they're happy that Cossa is turning it on either. My post is much less directed at Wallstedt than those posters and Cossas development
 
Im thinking you're a Minny fan based on your location. Its not me saying Wallstedt is for sure a bust or cant be better... there was a large chunk of fans on this board that from draft day onwards made it seem like Wallstedt the obvious pick, even with Bob Mckenzie saying it was like a 60-40 split amongst scouts at draft time.

They wouldn't shut up about it, even when Cossa was coming around and developing. Now they've disappeared since Cossa has been playing like a stud. No one saying I was wrong or that they're happy that Cossa is turning it on either. My post is much less directed at Wallstedt than those posters and Cossas development
Correct. Wings were my team from '94 to roughly around the time Minnesota was granted an expansion. Have still followed the Wings since however. Just a lot more 'loosely' since about 2012 or so (Around the time Lidstrom retired).

The rest of your post makes sense. I get it after the clarification now.
 
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Do we think there is a chance we bring him over as a one-and-done like Larkin, or do we let him get another year in? I'm good with another year so he can grow a little bit, Larkin was I think 180 when we signed him. Plante is 180 right now actually, according to the UMDB website.

Interesting either way.
No, and nor should they. He needs to get much stronger to be effective in the professional game.
 
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Do we think there is a chance we bring him over as a one-and-done like Larkin, or do we let him get another year in? I'm good with another year so he can grow a little bit, Larkin was I think 180 when we signed him. Plante is 180 right now actually, according to the UMDB website.

Interesting either way.

From a games played angle, another full season would probably benefit him in the long run.
 
Do we think there is a chance we bring him over as a one-and-done like Larkin, or do we let him get another year in? I'm good with another year so he can grow a little bit, Larkin was I think 180 when we signed him. Plante is 180 right now actually, according to the UMDB website.

Interesting either way.
No, he needs at least another year chained to a squat rack in the UMD weight room
 
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Emmit Finnie, who was taken in the 7th round, has looked very good ever since then. Not necessarily better than our first rounders, but outstanding for a 7th round pick.
Sure but his post was specific, multiple late rounders are looking better than multiple first rounders. Trying to figure out which 4+ prospects of ours he’s talking about.
 
Which late rounders are looking better than our first rounders?
Well Kiiskinen was referred to in the initial post. It's somewhat debatable whether he should count as a late round pick for us considering that we traded for him

Buchelnikov is looking incredible.

Augustine looks great and wins like crazy.

Finnie, Lombardi and Mazur all look good too.

I think you could argue that Augustine looks better than Cossa. I think you could argue that the forwards above look better than MBN, Danielson, and Kasper (to a lesser extent considering his recent success in the NHL).

Now some of those guys are second rounders so it's debatable whether they should be included. I also personally still have Danielson, MBN and Kasper above any of their late round compatriots. I prefer Augustine to Cossa but I understand why most can project on tools and conclude that Cossa has the better future.

So ultimately I think my real stance is that our first round picks have broken themselves into two tiers and many of our later round picks have climbed into the lesser tier. There's the Raymond, Seider, Edvinsson and ASP tier. Those guys all took off post draft, immediately adopted a trajectory that suggested they would be top of the lineup players. The former three are currently living up to that expectation, but even before they made, at least to me, their current performance wouldn't have been at all surprising. These are the guys where they developed so well that you're constantly trying to talk yourself out of insane, unfair lofty expectations. "Sure ASP just won his second WJC best defenseman award, and is leading the SHL defensive scoring and controls play every time he steps out there, etc but he's sort of small, won't have such an easy time beating NHL goalies from a distance and can't skate like Makar so I shouldn't get my hopes up too high. He's not guaranteed to be a top 3 offensive defenseman in the world." Their success feels inevitable, like it's almost already happened and we're just waiting on history to catch up.

Then there's the Cossa, Danielson, Kasper and MBN tier. They're all fine. They all project to be NHL players and have top of the lineup potential. But they also all feel like they could fizzle out into just okay players. I'm constantly trying to talk myself into believing in them. "Sure Danielson didn't score, and he turned over the puck a lot and he got out muscled a lot and I wish he'd shoot more, etc but he has a lot of obvious tools and it's hard to put up points in the AHL, he's focusing on being responsible and he'll develop physically so I shouldn't be too harsh judging his performances. He has a chance to be a top 6 player." I can talk myself into the possibility that they develop into top of the lineup players, but I know that to some extent I believe that because I want to. Their success feels like a dream of the future- technically possible but ephemeral, ethereal, and evitable.

I think that Buch, Finnie, Lombardi, Augustine and Kiiskinen are very much in that second tier. If you want to rate Buch above MBN or whatever, I don't think that's a bad take.
 
Sure but his post was specific, multiple late rounders are looking better than multiple first rounders. Trying to figure out which 4+ prospects of ours he’s talking about.
I don't know what post you are referring to, must be someone I have on ignore. I was just responding to your post.
 

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