Windsor Spitfires 2024-25 Season Thread, Part II

[OHLTG]

No chance they are trading Cristoforo. He's a big part of the success this season. I could see Manzo and picks. Or trade Abraham and use the picks received for him + Manzo and some of their own picks for a d man.

Manzo + 2nd + 2 3rds + 2 4ths or something could get you a Petrovski type defenseman.

I know there has been talk on here about Abraham being moved for Smith, but I keep wondering if Bowler would move him separately, should OA for OA be needed. If there's one thing Bowler has done over the last three seasons it's keep us guessing.

 

[Fischhaber]

It will cost us a good young player or several trade chips to improve our OA'S this year. Anything spent should be a player returning next year or returning import upgrade over Eichler. Morneau and Abraham are both locals. 1 Windsor and 1 Detroit. Not sure Bowler deals either at this stage.

Does Eichler and picks for Nordh make any sense? He'd cost a fair bit, but likely cheaper than a non-import like Pinelli and just as good.

 

[OHLTG]

Does Eichler and picks for Nordh make any sense? He'd cost a fair bit, but likely cheaper than a non-import like Pinelli and just as good.

That might make some sense from a Windsor POV, depending on two things ... 1. actual cost... and 2. if Windsor can get the big, crease-clearing Dman they want. They can't give up Eichler without getting a tough, physical replacement as he's one of the first to step in for his teammates if something happens.

 

[FireBall959]

Don't see enough progression in Lavigne to make the O unfortunately. I did like whatI saw in Spicer during camp. Seems to be a big physcal guy that is body first, not everything that came his way

 

[Fischhaber]

That might make some sense from a Windsor POV, depending on two things ... 1. actual cost... and 2. if Windsor can get the big, crease-clearing Dman they want. They can't give up Eichler without getting a tough, physical replacement as he's one of the first to step in for his teammates if something happens.

The Alriksson deal (2,3,3) probably marks the low end of his trade value, as Nordh is a better player. If there's no other competition then maybe 2,2,3. If there's another bidder, then maybe a 4th pick is needed. That's my best guess anyways.

Who do you think they target for a big defender? There's a few out there.

 

[OHLTG]

The Alriksson deal (2,3,3) probably marks the low end of his trade value, as Nordh is a better player. If there's no other competition then maybe 2,2,3. If there's another bidder, then maybe a 4th pick is needed. That's my best guess anyways.

Who do you think they target for a big defender? There's a few out there.

You'd probably have to offer up a younger forward for Nordh, too. Unless Bowler swings and gets Gibson and Nordh, then it's a guessing game.

As for the target, I posted this a while back...

Petrovsky would be nice if they can't get Smith, but I wonder if OS is going to let Petrovsky go for anything less than a few high picks and a younger talent?!

Would Flint want an arm/leg for Blake Smith?

IF NB is rebuilding like there are suggestions of, maybe Ride's an option?

Bishop or Glavin would be nice from Saginaw. I doubt they'd give up Parekh for anything less than Konnor Smith got.

 

[Stellar29]

You'd probably have to offer up a younger forward for Nordh, too. Unless Bowler swings and gets Gibson and Nordh, then it's a guessing game.

As for the target, I posted this a while back...

Petrovsky would be nice if they can't get Smith, but I wonder if OS is going to let Petrovsky go for anything less than a few high picks and a younger talent?!

Would Flint want an arm/leg for Blake Smith?

IF NB is rebuilding like there are suggestions of, maybe Ride's an option?

Bishop or Glavin would be nice from Saginaw. I doubt they'd give up Parekh for anything less than Konnor Smith got.

I'd be pretty shocked if Petrovski commanded a player and picks to acquire. I would think a pick package with maybe a conditional pick or two on him returning for an OA season would get it done. Owen Sound has depth to allow the movement of both Konnor Smith and Petrovski so that shouldn't require a player to come back in either deal. Unless the acquiring team wants to insert a player to reduce the draft picks in the deal I don't see that being necessary.

I could be wrong but unless the market is really that hot, I don't see him as the type to command a big trade package to get. I like the player and think he's good at a lot of things but really no elite traits. Just a steady, versatile top 4 Dman. Can play both sides of the ice too.

As for Owen Sound, assuming both Smith and Petrovski depart, the only player not returning would be OA Leonard for next season and they would still have 6 D rostered. I would think picks would likely be more attractive.

 

[Fischhaber]

You'd probably have to offer up a younger forward for Nordh, too. Unless Bowler swings and gets Gibson and Nordh, then it's a guessing game.

As for the target, I posted this a while back...

Petrovsky would be nice if they can't get Smith, but I wonder if OS is going to let Petrovsky go for anything less than a few high picks and a younger talent?!

Would Flint want an arm/leg for Blake Smith?

IF NB is rebuilding like there are suggestions of, maybe Ride's an option?

Bishop or Glavin would be nice from Saginaw. I doubt they'd give up Parekh for anything less than Konnor Smith got.

I remember that a Blake Smith deal fell through at the last minute last year, so they're probably open to moving him. I don't think the price would be too crazy, but the Spits have some pretty good OA's.

The Hounds would certainly take a Jack Nesbitt for Nordh, but that seems a bit pricey. I honestly think they would take a deal of just picks for him. Something like 2,2,3,4 is my prediction unless there's a bidding war.

 

[OHLTG]

I remember that a Blake Smith deal fell through at the last minute last year, so they're probably open to moving him. I don't think the price would be too crazy, but the Spits have some pretty good OA's.

The Hounds would certainly take a Jack Nesbitt for Nordh, but that seems a bit pricey. I honestly think they would take a deal of just picks for him. Something like 2,2,3,4 is my prediction unless there's a bidding war.

It could be something as simple as Abraham for Smith, with picks thrown in.

Nesbitt for Nordh wouldn't likely happen. Windsor's going to want a major 06 if they move him, like Luchanko. Nesbitt's almost at a point-per-game pace in a breakout season; no telling what he'll do next season.

 

[DetSpitsFan]

Where we’re kind of handcuffed is moving forwards IMO. Sure Nesbitt would fetch a good return, but him and Manzo are the only active 07’s we have, and how important will Nesbitt be with an additional year of experience next year?

I’d rather have Nesbitt over Nordh right now. He’s got chemistry with linemates, he’s improved, he’s producing, I don’t think he’d improve with a change of scenery.
Nordh next year if returning would be an OA/Import spot. If you have both open and you already got the guy, sure. But we have a chance to add two quality players, one OA (05) and one Import. if he doesn’t return? You just traded a first round pick with O experience for an Import rental, that still doesn’t move us anywhere closer to beating London (on paper)
No way I’m letting Nesbitt slide for that.

Nesbitts just under a point a game. He’ll be a PPG+ player next year if he continues his current trajectory.

It’s not like Abraham and Morneau are the direct cause for Nesbitt’s current success either.

Upfront I see us losing Abraham, Morneau, Outwater, (Stewart)

Backend: Mathurin, Eichler, Winegard.

Our key players are relatively young, and our core is returning. Of the names above, Mathurin is the only one I’d say is untouchable if we want success this year.

I’d be a little bummed to see Abraham go, I’d be real bummed to see Morneau go. But for the right deal that improves us next year, sure. I don’t think either move the needle on a run this year.

 

[windsor7]

Where we’re kind of handcuffed is moving forwards IMO. Sure Nesbitt would fetch a good return, but him and Manzo are the only active 07’s we have, and how important will Nesbitt be with an additional year of experience next year?

I’d rather have Nesbitt over Nordh right now. He’s got chemistry with linemates, he’s improved, he’s producing, I don’t think he’d improve with a change of scenery.
Nordh next year if returning would be an OA/Import spot. If you have both open and you already got the guy, sure. But we have a chance to add two quality players, one OA (05) and one Import. if he doesn’t return? You just traded a first round pick with O experience for an Import rental, that still doesn’t move us anywhere closer to beating London (on paper)
No way I’m letting Nesbitt slide for that.

Nesbitts just under a point a game. He’ll be a PPG+ player next year if he continues his current trajectory.

It’s not like Abraham and Morneau are the direct cause for Nesbitt’s current success either.

Upfront I see us losing Abraham, Morneau, Outwater, (Stewart)

Backend: Mathurin, Eichler, Winegard.

Our key players are relatively young, and our core is returning. Of the names above, Mathurin is the only one I’d say is untouchable if we want success this year.

I’d be a little bummed to see Abraham go, I’d be real bummed to see Morneau go. But for the right deal that improves us next year, sure. I don’t think either move the needle on a run this year.

A good gm will make moves to improve the team. Not being worried if the kid is a fan favourite or not.

 

[OHLTG]

I’d be a little bummed to see Abraham go, I’d be real bummed to see Morneau go. But for the right deal that improves us next year, sure. I don’t think either move the needle on a run this year.

I think the team will have to be blown away to move Morneau. He's a local kid, having a career season, playing strong 200-foot hockey, and is a staple in the community. You don't move an asset like that unless "we had no choice."

 

[Cherrydon]

Nordh would only be a rental this year. Signed already and drafted out of Sweeden means chance as an OA not liklely besides an import taking a OA spot if he was returned. I still think any moves with significant pieces and or picks has to return a player coming back next year. Assets will be eaten quickly replacing likely 2 imports and 2 OA spots in addition to bolstered a soft D core. Yes the OA and imports could end up 4 D which is fine. Nesbitt has to stay imo. Other untouchables this year are all the 08's drafted and signed. Add Joey in my no touch list and I'm open to move anyone else with next year in mind as to go for it.

 

[OHLTG]

. Other untouchables this year are all the 08's drafted and signed. Add Joey in my no touch list and I'm open to move anyone else with next year in mind as to go for it.

I would include Greentree, Davis, Spellacy in that untouchables list with Cristoforo/Woodall being "blow me away and we'll talk" category.

 

[Cherrydon]

Well I understand that some or many may disagree, I believe 2 of our 06's need to be moved before next year. With Davis Woodall Cristoforo not being drafted and who knows whether Chicago or LA wants to hold back entry contracts starting, it is possible that all 4-5 could be OA candidates in 26-27 meaning we give 1-2 of them away for less return than now or off season after next year. We have a really poor 05 and 07 group by numbers. Get whike the getting is good need to also think 2-3 years down the road with thus stellar 08 group wanting to be in contention. Think bigger if you want to competitive annually.

 

[windsor7]

Well I understand that some or many may disagree, I believe 2 of our 06's need to be moved before next year. With Davis Woodall Cristoforo not being drafted and who knows whether Chicago or LA wants to hold back entry contracts starting, it is possible that all 4-5 could be OA candidates in 26-27 meaning we give 1-2 of them away for less return than now or off season after next year. We have a really poor 05 and 07 group by numbers. Get whike the getting is good need to also think 2-3 years down the road with thus stellar 08 group wanting to be in contention. Think bigger if you want to competitive annually.

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