Being that Ehler's contract would start in the 2018/19 season, his agent would have negotiated on the projected 2018/19 cap ceiling. Which probably isn't too far off what the cap hit really became.
The cap is slightly higher than what they likely would have projected, so I'm ok if Nylander is offered slightly more than Ehlers.
Which would have to be less than what 34 goal 70 point Pastrnak got last year. Or... are you going to say that Pastrnaks numbers "don't count" because he hadn't done them 2 seasons in a row at the time of signing?
It's a cap projection, nobody knows what number Ehlers agent had in mind at the time of signing, how much was Ehlers willing to cut off his AAV for security? And how much did he potentially lose AAV wise because he only had 1 60 point season? How much does Ehlers value money? Was he willing to dig in and fight?
Nobody knows but it all would have certainly played a part in negotiations
If the player signs after 3 seasons rather than 2 the team and player have more surety of what he is and that can effect his AAV, that's why if the team still has doubts they can bridge him
Don't kid yourself, Winnipeg took a calculated risk signing Ehlers when they did and it helps lower the players AAV in some instances
If Nylander had of hit 80 points this season he'd go in negotiations as an 80 point player with another 60 point season which helps his bargaining position, he's a player with 2 60 point seasons however and he's proven that rather than Ehlers who with only 1 60 point season which could have easily been an outlier
So Ehlers signed his contract on Oct 4.
On November 17th, Bettman briefed the media on revenue projections. It implied an increase to 80-82MM. It is highly unlikely that the NHLPA wasn't aware of numbers in this range well before that. There would have been an internal process including discussions with the NHLPA due to the contentious issues around escrow. Before the media is briefed, analysis and conversations needed to happen. This could be a 2-3 month process (I've worked in the number crunching analytics world for a number of large corporations spanning different industries so I kind of know the process of these kinds of thing) Your argument really amounts to wishful construction of your own to support your cognitive dissonance. Guaranteed Ehlers agent new and a negotiation was made with numbers in this range. The risks associated with producing numbers on the fly with no consultation is huge and never happens.
October- November
You have absolutely no clue what Ehlers representative knew at the time and what Ehlers wanted or valued in the negotiations
Nylander's agent would be a complete moron if he isn't using the cap increase to try to get his AAV up because when the cap goes up so do salaries normally
You couldn't be more wrong. It's the players job to max out the dollar value to which he's worth taking into account how much he wants to win. Any player who is in it just to get as much money as he can and holds the hostage to do so should be shipped out immediately. It is a balancing act between how much money you want minus how much you'll sacrifice in order to win.
It is also definitely not the team's job to get the lowest AAV as possible. It is the team's job to get the fairest AAV as possible that satisfies both the player's needs as well as the long term cap health of the team. Any team hardballing their players into taking the lowest AAV possible is going to have a team full of pissed off resentful players.
The $8M is irrelevant and only quoted because it is the only number so far to be suggested. The fact is Nylander wants a lot more than he should because they're not at this stalemate based on a few $100K or a year or two.
I could care less if Nylander signs in the low 6's, I've said all along they can afford $6.5M easy. While there is a cap a squeeze next year there is no cap crisis. Sign players for what they're worth and they will play accordingly. Try and take from your players and they will also play accordingly.
No, the player should be doing what's in his best interest, if he wants to win and take less money that's his right just like if he wants max value he should fight for it
We're in a hard cap league, if the team isn't trying to get the most team friendly AAV possible they need their head read, if a player has no arb rights the team should be using its leverage to get the best deal for the team, that's their job
I don't know what Nylander wants and neither do you so lets just stay out of that side of things
That's completely incorrect, Anaheim played hardball and signed Lindholm to a below market deal, same with Johnny Hockey and Calgary and both those guys are excellent, in fact the only guy spitting the dummy I can think of is Trouba
It's how business is done
