William Nylander

[Gary Nylund]

Bills losing 4 straight?
You got to think they wouldn’t lose the 4th one

Nah, they were huge underdogs in all but the first one. No surprise at all there.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Unclutch wouldn’t be the right word but at the end of the day he’s been just as productive as the rest of them the last couple games.

He's taken almost 1 of every 5 shots by the team, and he and JT have accounted for almost 1/3.

They haven't scored, but at least that line is generating chances. Even more when they promoted Knies.

 

[Aashir]

He's taken almost 1 of every 5 shots by the team, and he and JT have accounted for almost 1/3.

They haven't scored, but at least that line is generating chances. Even more when they promoted Knies.

Generating but not scoring isn’t all that great though. It goes back to the deserve to win meter which is a bunch of bs.

At the end of the day either you score or don’t. Generating chances make it more likely to reach that goal, but it isn’t a goal or milestone by itself

So while he has been better than M&M, he has fallen quite short of expectations too.

 

[DarkKnight]

Generating but not scoring isn’t all that great though. It goes back to the deserve to win meter which is a bunch of bs.

At the end of the day either you score or don’t. Generating chances make it more likely to reach that goal, but it isn’t a goal or milestone by itself

So while he has been better than M&M, he has fallen quite short of expectations too.

He isn't top of mind when you think of failures, the top line, couple others, but he isn't prime clutch greatness in the playoffs either, which is my point. Like last night, had looks didn't deliver, bottomline. Was he a steaming hunk of shit like Marner and Matthews, no. Was he useless in our end and the PP, ahh yep he was. Period. So as you go through the team, he gets some criticism. JT too, dude was invisible, but that's okay.

 

[Aashir]

He isn't top of mind when you think of failures, the top line, couple others, but he isn't prime clutch greatness in the playoffs either, which is my point. Like last night, had looks didn't deliver, bottomline. Was he a steaming hunk of shit like Marner and Matthews, no. Was he useless in our end and the PP, ahh yep he was. Period. So as you go through the team, he gets some criticism. JT too, dude was invisible, but that's okay.

For me nylander is confirming he’s a great 3rd or 4th guy on a playoff team. Pure Phil kessel type guy who could find success if we deal him at ~9M to some contender

Matthews just isn’t a player you want on your team in the playoffs. He can’t be relied on to do anything. Drive play, be a playmaker, finish goals, play defence or even be physical. He’s a thorough loser

Marner is of a similar strand, but he can still make passes, he can’t do anything better than Matthews apart from that. We saw it at 4N, and we’ve seen it in these playoffs. He could work if he played with MacKinnon, Mcdavid, draisaitl, rantanen and those type of guys. Alphas who raise their game and drive the play, Marner just needs to make a quick and nice pass or two to make an impact.

What I know for sure is that they can’t be 1,2,3 on any cup contending team, especially the leafs.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Meaning the other two take all the blame and once that layer is removed the focus will shift to him.

They certainly get the focus, and occasionally get the blame, although a couple of posters go through incredible hoops to absolve them at all times.

If they both leave, then depending on who replaces them, there is a good chance Nylander will get more of the focus, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'll get more blame.

Maybe we'll be lucky and the few posters who seem to be more interested in glorifying M&M and putting down Willy than cheering for the Leafs will follow M&M to greener pastures.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Thought players not caring was part of the problem here?

There is a major difference between not caring about media and other comments (Nylander) and not caring about winning the games (not Nylander).

 

[notDatsyuk]

Generating but not scoring isn’t all that great though. It goes back to the deserve to win meter which is a bunch of bs.

At the end of the day either you score or don’t. Generating chances make it more likely to reach that goal, but it isn’t a goal or milestone by itself

So while he has been better than M&M, he has fallen quite short of expectations too.

Absolutely, but the idea that he's been as bad as others is also "a bunch of bs".

 

[TMLegend]

Nylanders been fine. He's still generating some chances despite being on an island on his line carrying around the husk of JT and the corpse of MaxPac on the LW most of the time.

Any criticisms are completely out to lunch in my opinion.

 

[GoonieFace]

Nylanders been fine. He's still generating some chances despite being on an island on his line carrying around the husk of JT and the corpse of MaxPac on the LW most of the time.

Any criticisms are completely out to lunch in my opinion.

It’s classic deflection tactics.

 

[KAWAIlllI]

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Honesty, don’t think Willie cares. That’s how he is built.

e doesn’t have the history of choking like the others, so I think that ”guilt” will be reserved for thingssuch as CAPS LOCK

 

[ACC1224]

Nylanders been fine. He's still generating some chances despite being on an island on his line carrying around the husk of JT and the corpse of MaxPac on the LW most of the time.

Any criticisms are completely out to lunch in my opinion.

'Fine' is a good way to put it.

 

[IronHookem]

For me nylander is confirming he’s a great 3rd or 4th guy on a playoff team.

This is such a laughable take. He is currently 4th in overall scoring, with the ones above him being Rantanen, Drai and McDavid, arguably the 3 most clutch playoff performers in the last couple of seasons.
Yes, he is not really on the same level as the guys mentioned above, but a 3rd/4th guy? Give him a real 1C and he would get there as the 1/2 combo.

 

[Gary Nylund]

This is such a laughable take, He is currently 4th in overall scoring, with the ones above him being Rantanen, Drai and McDavid, arguably the 3 most clutch playoff performers in the last couple of seasons.
Yes, he is not really on the same level as the guys mentioned above, but a 3rd/4th guy? Give him a real 1C and he would get there as the 1/2 combo.

Imagine Nylander on McDavid's wing.

 

[GoonieFace]

For me nylander is confirming he’s a great 3rd or 4th guy on a playoff team. Pure Phil kessel type guy who could find success if we deal him at ~9M to some contender

Matthews just isn’t a player you want on your team in the playoffs. He can’t be relied on to do anything. Drive play, be a playmaker, finish goals, play defence or even be physical. He’s a thorough loser

Marner is of a similar strand, but he can still make passes, he can’t do anything better than Matthews apart from that. We saw it at 4N, and we’ve seen it in these playoffs. He could work if he played with MacKinnon, Mcdavid, draisaitl, rantanen and those type of guys. Alphas who raise their game and drive the play, Marner just needs to make a quick and nice pass or two to make an impact.

What I know for sure is that they can’t be 1,2,3 on any cup contending team, especially the leafs.

# 3 or 4 guy on a playoff team? Wow, that’s an interesting take for a guy 4th in scoring, playing on a 2nd line with a winger with no Achilles tendons or Pontus Homberg

 

[stickty111]

Nylander even at not his best is a better player than Marner in big games. He still creates chances like the last 2 games. It might have been a debate before, but after this series, we know the answer.

 

[ACC1224]

This is such a laughable take. He is currently 4th in overall scoring, with the ones above him being Rantanen, Drai and McDavid, arguably the 3 most clutch playoff performers in the last couple of seasons.
Yes, he is not really on the same level as the guys mentioned above, but a 3rd/4th guy? Give him a real 1C and he would get there as the 1/2 combo.

He'd be in 2nd if not being pointless the past 2 games.

 

[IronHookem]

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He'd be in 2nd if not being pointless the past 2 games.

Which is why I consider him to be just a tier below the guys ahead of him in scoring. He can steal games on his own, but I don't think he is talented enough to steal an entire series against the defending champions. He is in dire need of some assistance from his fellow superstars now that they are no longer dealing with Floridas main shutdown line.

 

[ACC1224]

Which is why I consider him to be just a tier below the guys ahead of him in scoring. He can steal games on his own, but I don't think he is talented enough to steal an entire series against the defending champions. He is in dire need of some assistance from his fellow superstars now that they are no longer dealing with Floridas main shutdown line.

They'll all need to be better tomorrow and hopefully Sunday.

 

[IronHookem]

They'll all need to be better tomorrow and hopefully Sunday.

I think all it takes is that at least one of them has a great game in order to take it to 7, doesn't matter who. Just go out there and at least push it to 7 games after that embarrassing performance last night.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Which is why I consider him to be just a tier below the guys ahead of him in scoring. He can steal games on his own, but I don't think he is talented enough to steal an entire series against the defending champions. He is in dire need of some assistance from his fellow superstars now that they are no longer dealing with Floridas main shutdown line.

Do you think if we had Rantanen or McDavid or Draisaitl instead of Nylander, playing on the second line with JT and Patches, we would have won last night? A Rantanen 4 point performance would still have left us short.

I don't think anyone is "talented enough to steal an entire series", let alone "against the defending champions". If that's your criteria for top tier, expect to be disappointed a lot.

I completely agree with your last sentence, but hold out minimal hope.

 

[IronHookem]

Do you think if we had McDavid or Draisaitl or Rantanen instead of Nylander, playing on the second line with JT and Patches, we would have won last night? A Rantanen 4 point performance would still have left us short.

I don't think anyone is "talented enough to steal an entire series", let alone "against the defending champions". If that's your criteria for top tier, expect to be disappointed a lot.

I completely agree with your last sentence, but hold out minimal hope.

You make some solid points, I guess what I was really trying to say was that I think Nylander has a bit more to prove before he can be considered a playoff beast of similar caliber as McDavid, Drai & Rantanen. Hopefully he has another big game tomorrow.

 

[Aashir]

# 3 or 4 guy on a playoff team? Wow, that’s an interesting take for a guy 4th in scoring, playing on a 2nd line with a winger with no Achilles tendons or Pontus Homberg

This is such a laughable take. He is currently 4th in overall scoring, with the ones above him being Rantanen, Drai and McDavid, arguably the 3 most clutch playoff performers in the last couple of seasons.
Yes, he is not really on the same level as the guys mentioned above, but a 3rd/4th guy? Give him a real 1C and he would get there as the 1/2 combo.

I mean we are seeing him as the best player on a “cup contending team” right now. The body of work has been excellent, but the past two games have undone a lot of it.

There aren’t many centers better than Tavares but worse than nylander, there are precisely zero if you swap Tavares with Matthews.

He’d do better than this maybe, similar to the hurricanes, but he isn’t this level consistently. 3 in 4 last year, 10 in 11 the year prior.

He’s good, maybe great, but not a guy who is THE guy on offence.

 

[Farsailor]

You make some solid points, I guess what I was really trying to say was that I think Nylander has a bit more to prove before he can be considered a playoff beast of similar caliber as McDavid, Drai & Rantanen. Hopefully he has another big game tomorrow.

I mean we are seeing him as the best player on a “cup contending team” right now. The body of work has been excellent, but the past two games have undone a lot of it.

There aren’t many centers better than Tavares but worse than nylander, there are precisely zero if you swap Tavares with Matthews.

He’d do better than this maybe, similar to the hurricanes, but he isn’t this level consistently. 3 in 4 last year, 10 in 11 the year prior.

He’s good, maybe great, but not a guy who is THE guy on offenc

ridiculous to think real Leafs fans would bother to post this nonsense. "He is good but not the guy" jada jada, come on what do you know? What has McDavid won anyway..

 

[Aashir]

ridiculous to think real Leafs fans would bother to post this nonsense. "He is good but not the guy" jada jada, come on what do you know? What has McDavid won anyway..

Ok fine he’s the guy

I expect 90+ point paces every year come playoff time then.

That’s the expectations of being the guy, something he’s achieved a grand total of 2 times?