William Nylander

[thewave]

Nylander should receive a fair amount of criticism after last game, this is true. The only reason I am not nearly as pissed at him as I am with the rest of the core is because he did look like he was giving it his everything yesterday, and the fact that he had a major part in us going up 2-0 this series.

If he can have another big game 6, everything will be forgiven. The only problem is that Florida is well aware that Nylander & Knies are likely to be the only ones that can take this series to 7 games, which is why they will be heavily guarded.

Nylander came out on fire

Marner and Matthews had no desire

The team caught on

The momentum was gone

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yes I've been criticizing them in every thread, why are you even bringing them up. Can I critique JT too, or must I confine myself to two players. Can I say Reilly was an absolute f***ing tire fire last night or do I remember his three goals and he gets a pad now? Willie's effort on the game winner in game 3 was horrendous and he's done jack really since, that's fair.

LMAO sure thing bud. You've been slobbering all over Marner for years.

 

[ITM]

BS. He hasn't delivered when we needed it most. He doesn't get a hall pass. And I said he's was the best of the big guns so I think I'm being fair.

Do you have an example of players who year after year bail their club's leadership out?

 

[DarkKnight]

Do you have an example of players who year after year bail their club's leadership out?

What are you talking about we lose every year? Bailing out when? Where are big efforts to win deciding games? He disappeared this series the moment he was against their top line too, no different. Look I've praised him this year, and last for that matter, he really came into his own and I appreciated his more consistent effort. He's unfazed, highly skilled, but when the pressure comes, he folds too, there are no great moments in the end. He's least worst, I guess. He's like an artist, when it comes, it's magnificent, when it isn't there, it's ugly. That isn't a champion though sorry.

 

[ULF_55]

At least he's committed to his team.

 

[KAWAIlllI]

Your validation is irrelevant to me bud lol.

Enjoy your crush I'm here to talk hockey. I've praised the guy all year.

Well, let’s agree to disagree on that one (and many other things). Cheers!

 

[sunstersun]

What are you talking about we lose every year? Bailing out when? Where are big efforts to win deciding games? He disappeared this series the moment he was against their top line too, no different. Look I've praised him this year, and last for that matter, he really came into his own and I appreciated his more consistent effort. He's unfazed, highly skilled, but when the pressure comes, he folds too, there are no great moments in the end. He's least worst, I guess. He's like an artist, when it comes, it's magnificent, when it isn't there, it's ugly. That isn't a champion though sorry.

No shit he disappeared. He's playing with 3rd liners at best.

He should be able to produce with 3rd liners. He has before. It's unrealistic to expect him to produce with garbage linemates AND face the shutdown line.

No, Nylander shouldn't be grouped with Mitch and Matthews, because those mofos are playing with Knies and facing a worse line.'

If Knies and Nylander can't produce against the 1st top line sure. I don't blame Nylander for not doing with Tavares and Pats or Kampf or Holmberg.

 

[ITM]

What are you talking about we lose every year? Bailing out when? Where are big efforts to win deciding games? He disappeared this series the moment he was against their top line too, no different. Look I've praised him this year, and last for that matter, he really came into his own and I appreciated his more consistent effort. He's unfazed, highly skilled, but when the pressure comes, he folds too, there are no great moments in the end. He's least worst, I guess. He's like an artist, when it comes, it's magnificent, when it isn't there, it's ugly. That isn't a champion though sorry.

You're ascribing a level of blame and failure on Nylander (i.e. "He hasn't delivered when we needed it most.") while he's leading the team in points this year and for the last five, despite not being Marner and Matthews, who should have at some point, done their jobs.

So my question presumes, you must have another example from other championship teams where the team's leadership (i.e. Yzerman/Sakic/Lemieux/Mackinnon...Tkachuk) doesn't pull their team to victory, but a support player (i.e. Nylander) does.

And I'm curious what basis you have for that criticism from examples.

 

[DarkKnight]

No shit he disappeared. He's playing with 3rd liners at best.

He should be able to produce with 3rd liners. He has before. It's unrealistic to expect him to produce with garbage linemates AND face the shutdown line.

No, Nylander shouldn't be grouped with Mitch and Matthews, because those mofos are playing with Knies and facing a worse line.'

If Knies and Nylander can't produce against the 1st top line sure. I don't blame Nylander for not doing with Tavares and Pats or Kampf or Holmberg.

Pac was driving that line and JT isn't a third line. Didn't hear this BS when the line was roaring. Stop diminishing everything to absolve him. It's okay to admit he's been shit like everyone else the last few, doesn't mean he hasn't had his moments.

 

[sunstersun]

Pac was driving that line and JT isn't a third line. Didn't hear this BS when the line was roaring. Stop diminishing everything to absolve him. It's okay to admit he's been shit like everyone else the last few, doesn't mean he hasn't had his moments.

How was Pac driving that line lmao. He was good. Not driving the line lmao. I swear, a solid hit, a pass, a pass to OEL. This is what we're calling driving the line? It's more like those were functional 2LW plays.

JT is literally a 3rd line centre at best. Actually, a lot of credit was given to Pats. He's incapable of playing average hockey now.

Surely you can't think a vet min, a 3rd line C and Nylander is enough firepower to go against the shutdown line and top D pair. They're a 2nd line for a reason, why would you think it's on him when the 1st line is 35 million dollars? He's already played himself into being the most resources committed defensively from Florida despite the lack of resources he gets.

Forget Matthews. Marner and Knies alone should be enough to be dangerous but nope. If Nylander had a 2C a good 2LW, and couldn't produce against the shutdown line I'd have problems. You can't expect him to make up 2 strategic gaps. Shutdown line + shitty teammates.

 

[ZEBROA]

BS. He hasn't delivered when we needed it most. He doesn't get a hall pass. And I said he's was the best of the big guns so I think I'm being fair.

To be fair. You dont know yet if he deliver when we need it the most.

I would not bet on it the next game, but you dont know.

I think he played best with mcmann. In the regular season. I would alternate between mcmann and patch on the second line.

 

[DarkKnight]

To be fair. You dont know yet if he deliver when we need it the most.

I would not bet on it the next game, but you dont know.

I think he played best with mcmann. In the regular season. I would alternate between mcmann and patch on the second line.

I'd throw him with Matthews, JT and Marner work. Why not at this point.

I just can't get excited for Friday, but you're right there is a chance.

 

[ZEBROA]

I'd throw him with Matthews, JT and Marner work. Why not at this point.

I just can't get excited for Friday, but you're right there is a chance.

Yeah 5% is my estimate.

 

[DarkKnight]

Yeah 5% is my estimate.

And then don't show up for 7. I actually told a friend before game 5, watch us stink tonight, we all turn, then they win 6, we jump back and lose in crushing fashion 7. It's just the Leaf way. Although, I never imagined we could be that uninspired last night, that was biblical, even with our history.

 

[sunstersun]

Pac was the one winning the pucks, are you so in love that this is the level of obtuse you are arguing? I'm out dude, sorry I went after your crush, you're right he's been great when it matters in this series. My bad. And btw, all you clowns with your lmao, it just reeks of unserious so have it. Bye.

Ok winning pucks? As I said, what is the standard in Leafs nation now? Winning pucks is driving the line? Ok so Marner has never driven the line thanks for confirming.

Isn't a little humility in necessary after you've FILLED the boards with egregious Marner takes. Nice try dragging Willy done. It won't work.

It's very simple. He's playing with 3rd liners going up against 1st liners. Unless he's McDavid or prime Crosby why would you expect something.

Meanwhile Marner is choking on a 35million dollar line. Even if Matthews is dead, he's metrically better than Tavares. And they're not even facing the top line.

Damn dude, if my takes are unserious what are your and ACC134 and BraveCandian takes on Marner the last 5 years? Show some humility when your player you've dubbed a shining star crashes again for the 5th straight year.

The dude has 5 points since 2019 in games 5-7. 17 Games.

5 f***ING POINTS. Just stop talking about Nylander dude, Go read your Marner takes the last 5 years. It's like Roosevelt talking to the isolationists after Pearl Harbor.

 

[ACC1224]

To be fair. You dont know yet if he deliver when we need it the most.

I would not bet on it the next game, but you dont know.

I think he played best with mcmann. In the regular season. I would alternate between mcmann and patch on the second line.

If Nylander is going the best, give him Knies on the other wing and hope they can win their matchup.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I'd throw him with Matthews, JT and Marner work. Why not at this point.

I just can't get excited for Friday, but you're right there is a chance.

Many reasons, but you wouldn't understand. You're so blinded by your love for Marner that since even you can't pretend he's awesome any longer, the best you can do is try to bring others down to his level.

 

[Gary Nylund]

This is how I feel. WE literally would have died in an inertia without any chance of awakening had we listened to DarkKnight, acc124, BraveCanadian, and signed Marner to an extension before the postseason. With those guys in charge of the Leafs, Marner would be on an 8 year 13 mil deal RIGHT NOW

It literally would have been a decade of black void. All thanks to cult that is "Marner" fans.

Agreed. I said something like this a while ago - resigning Marner would be the equivalent of saying welcome to another decade of playoff irrelevance.

 

[ACC1224]

Pac was driving that line and JT isn't a third line. Didn't hear this BS when the line was roaring. Stop diminishing everything to absolve him. It's okay to admit he's been shit like everyone else the last few, doesn't mean he hasn't had his moments.

Lets hope he can handle being the top dog next year. Point per game at that salary won't be nearly good enough and he won't have anyone to hide behind.

 

[DarkKnight]

Let's hope he can handle being the top dog next year. Point per game at that salary won't be nearly good enough and he won't have anyone to hide behind.

I can't see him leading a team to the promised land, that isn't him. But, he's a fantastic talent. Anyways, I'm off to write a pseudo intellectual dissertation on how Neville Chamberlain and Marner fan boys are really the same. Love this place!

 

[Gary Nylund]

Lets hope he can handle being the top dog next year. Point per game at that salary won't be nearly good enough and he won't have anyone to hide behind.

He's never "hidden" from anyone or anything. You keep embarrassing yourself though and keep those backhanded jabs coming, there might be some newer posters here who haven't seen your true colours yet.

 

[KAWAIlllI]

Lets hope he can handle being the top dog next year. Point per game at that salary won't be nearly good enough and he won't have anyone to hide behind.

You MUST be Marners father.

 

[ACC1224]

I can't see him leading a team to the promised land, that isn't him. But, he's a fantastic talent. Anyways, I'm off to write a pseudo intellectual dissertation on how Neville Chamberlain and Marner fan boys are really the same. Love this place!

It's special, no doubt.

 

[GoonieFace]

He's never "hidden" from anyone or anything. You keep embarrassing yourself though and keep those backhanded jabs coming, there might be some newer posters here who haven't seen your true colours yet.

I see the Marner fanboys are starting to unravel…hate to see it

 

[ITM]

Lets hope he can handle being the top dog next year. Point per game at that salary won't be nearly good enough and he won't have anyone to hide behind.

But with Nylander leading the team in in scoring in the playoffs - which according to everyone is when it matters most - who exactly is he hiding behind while out in front?