not sure its against the rules but that 8 yr contract he would want in return would probably be a little unpalatable.
Value of: William Nylander (extension, next contract)
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Matthews is well underpaid for what he provides
viceroy
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I could see a 4yr 15 AAV for Matthews and a 5yr 10 AAV for Nylander.
Yeah but both the Avs and the Bolts had won multiple playoff rounds before they got the Cup with those cores. They learnt how to win. What has that Leafs' core learnt?
BlueBaron
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Lol. Who could have predicted that with the Leafs playing well HF would fixate on imaginary Cap problems? Oh right.... I did.
Seriously why don't we obsess about some other team's free agents in 24-25...
Because it's bizarre that's why....
Just give it a rest.
Seriously why don't we obsess about some other team's free agents in 24-25...
Because it's bizarre that's why....
Just give it a rest.
dukeofjive
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Why would signing the core that hasn’t won a playoff series f*** with hf
In his last negotiation, Nylander made painfully sure to set a new "bar" / "high water mark" for contracts.
Obviously not to the extent that Marner did a year later, but when you took his comparables at the time, he probably should have been paid closer to $6.5m on a 6 year deal, not $7m on a 5.5 year deal with no deduction for missing half the season.
The real question is -- after 4 years of first round playoff exits, does Nylander feel the need to set another high-water mark? does he want to be paid "fairly"? or is he prepared to take a bit of a discount to try and win?
I don't believe the latter is realistic.
The fact that the cap is likely to go up, by an undetermined yet substantial amount, is only going to make things more difficult for Dubas. As Nylander is likely to be fearful that he will regret not waiting to see exactly what the cap is for 24-25.
That being said, if we use today's dollars, on a "fair value" perspective. I imagine that Kaprizov, Brayden Point, Johnny Gaudreau and Filip Forsberg will be comparables. Heck, he'll probably bring up Jonathan Huberdeau calling out the fact that his deal begins a year later, and he's younger. Timo Meier's eventual deal will help set the bar as well.
Personally, I don't see it being any less than $9.5m with the knowledge of the cap going up. It wouldn't at all surprise me to see him push to $10m.
Obviously not to the extent that Marner did a year later, but when you took his comparables at the time, he probably should have been paid closer to $6.5m on a 6 year deal, not $7m on a 5.5 year deal with no deduction for missing half the season.
The real question is -- after 4 years of first round playoff exits, does Nylander feel the need to set another high-water mark? does he want to be paid "fairly"? or is he prepared to take a bit of a discount to try and win?
I don't believe the latter is realistic.
The fact that the cap is likely to go up, by an undetermined yet substantial amount, is only going to make things more difficult for Dubas. As Nylander is likely to be fearful that he will regret not waiting to see exactly what the cap is for 24-25.
That being said, if we use today's dollars, on a "fair value" perspective. I imagine that Kaprizov, Brayden Point, Johnny Gaudreau and Filip Forsberg will be comparables. Heck, he'll probably bring up Jonathan Huberdeau calling out the fact that his deal begins a year later, and he's younger. Timo Meier's eventual deal will help set the bar as well.
Personally, I don't see it being any less than $9.5m with the knowledge of the cap going up. It wouldn't at all surprise me to see him push to $10m.
TheBeastCoast
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I mean everyone seems so set on Matthews leaving Toronto. But go off on how much HF totally actually doesn't care what happens. We all really believe you.Why would signing the core that hasn’t won a playoff series f*** with hf
TheBeastCoast
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General Fanager
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Why would Matthews sign for 4 years only?
It's really not a dig at the city or anything.
The guy will get a boatload of money wherever he may sign and if Toronto can't seem to get things right in the playoffs. Why would he stay? I mean take your Leafs love out of it and you have to see the point.
When money isn't a factor, he will want to win....
TheBeastCoast
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And he is going to have a better chance to win in Arizona? The reality is nobody has any idea what he wants. I am a Leaf fan so I just want him to stay on the Leafs. Atleast I am willing to admit that is just what I want. So many other people try and like get inside his head and come up with justifications for why he will totally be leaving Toronto when nobody knows what he wants or what he will do. It's not like Toronto is a bad team and at minimum there are two more chances to win under this contract.
General Fanager
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I never said Arizona. But since you mentioned it, they have a ton of good picks and prospects. Maybe they get Bedard and in 2 years they will need a leader/Captain.
But seriously, it isn't specific about Toronto or The Leafs. If the money will be massive anywhere he goes he will go to the best chance to win. I don't know that for sure but we have seen it in countless other players. The money is always good for those at the top so they chase cups
For the Leafs/ Leafs fans sake, they better go on a few runs and convince him it can be done in Toronto.
TheBeastCoast
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They are also playing in a rink smaller then the one my old high school team used to play in. Very appealing.
Arthur Morgan
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if we learned anything from the first time. good chance he holds out for as much as possible and tests the market. unless that rumor that he held out because he thought Leafs were going to trade him if he signed too cheap or something I dunno I never put much thought into it.
General Fanager
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TheBeastCoast
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And other guys it isn't. Just ask most of the other players in the league.
General Fanager
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Anyways we can go back and forth all day but the truth remains the same. No one knows how it will go down but If The Leafs don't make noise in the playoffs in the next 2 years, I am betting he is gone, maybe not to Arizona but for sure somewhere he can win.
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They also missed the playoffs after drafting those players several times which the Leafs never did. If those players were so great how did they miss the playoffs?
The Avs won 3 playoff series in Mackinnon's first 8 years, never advancing past the 2nd round. The missed the playoffs 3 times in Mackinnon's first 8 years as well. They were just as likely to miss the playoffs as they were to win a round in Mackinnon's first 8 years. And it's not like they were lined up against the Bruins and Bolts those years. Facing some average central playoff team leading up to the SCF is not the same as taking on a prime Bruins or Bolts squad.
Bergeron made the playoffs twice in his first 6 years, only making it past the 1st round once (BTW he was a playoff bust back then too...9 points in 18 playoff games through first 6 seasons). Marchand's playoff #'s in his first 6 seasons are actually horrible lmao. Were you even watching back then?
And their first 6 years are chump change to what Matthews and Marner have done. I guess you weren't a fan back then tho.
TheImpatientPanther
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TheImpatientPanther
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Not as excited to hear the excuses for why the Leafs lose in first round 7 straight years.
TheBeastCoast
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It is good to know that you care so much about us that our potential failure sustains you through your own teams even worse failures this season. Atleast you had one year of relevancy right? See you guys in another decade or so.
TheImpatientPanther
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TheBeastCoast
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I mean whatever order you want to put those 4 teams in the Panthers are in 4th in all of them.
TheImpatientPanther
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