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If Dubas trades him I will be fully on the fire dubas parade float... ouff what a terrible decision that would be. To me, if we are trading someone, not that I am saying we should, would be someone other than 91, 88 or 34.
 
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wingman75 said:
If Dubas trades him I will be fully on the fire dubas parade float... ouff what a terrible decision that would be. To me, if we are trading someone, not that I am saying we should, would be someone other than 91, 88 or 34.
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In a perfect word, we would keep all 4. I’d like to keep all 4 too. But who else would you trade or sign to significantly upgrade the defence without money going out. The 40 million across 4 forwards experiment is not working. Unless the cap increases as significant as predicted, I have no faith in next season with the same type of defence.

34 is untouchable. Will you really trade 91 after a season of making him Captain.. can you even trade him with his nmc? You’re going to have to pick 16/88... hard decisions...
 
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wingman75 said:
If Dubas trades him I will be fully on the fire dubas parade float... ouff what a terrible decision that would be. To me, if we are trading someone, not that I am saying we should, would be someone other than 91, 88 or 34.
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I don't think he trades Nylander. He loves him.
Marner should go.
 
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kb said:
Holy hell.....He looks like the only one who cares.

Can't wait for the anti-Nylander crew to show up.

Marner looks MUCH worse than Willy did last year. But he will get protected by Dada and his crew.
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Marner has assists though?
 
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Nylander is playing extremely well. I watched every second of this West Coast trip and Nylander was the Leafs best player by a country mile. I'm not quite sure what Tavares and Marner are doing--outside of that one beaut of a goal the other night--Marner has been horrific. And Matthews--I don't understand it at all.
 
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michi510 said:
In a perfect word, we would keep all 4. I’d like to keep all 4 too. But who else would you trade or sign to significantly upgrade the defence without money going out. The 40 million across 4 forwards experiment is not working. Unless the cap increases as significant as predicted, I have no faith in next season with the same type of defence.

34 is untouchable. Will you really trade 91 after a season of making him Captain.. can you even trade him with his nmc? You’re going to have to pick 16/88... hard decisions...
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Yes that is plausible but it is. However it is still theoretically possible that the core, including most of the team, is still too young and inexperienced? Which means they havent reached their potential.

It will be interesting to see what moves are made going forward. If Nylander brings in a young star potential D, would you consider?
 
kb said:
Like seriously.....what was the agenda there? Yikes.
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Easy target. A decent amount of Leaf fans were bitter with how last year went. I can get being angry that he held out and came back looking meh, but people were going over board. Our media is also toxic so if they can pile on they will. Nylander said he'd be dominant and dominant he has been. Under a full season with a coach that gives him a fair shake he should be a ppg player. That for under 7M? Best value of our big 4 easily. May be the best bang for your buck on the team.
 
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Yup Nylander has outplayed Marner this year the most consistent player this year. Just tells you how great of a year he is having.
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Nylander has 58 points in 67 games.
Marner has 65 points in 58 games.

Who has outperformed who?
 
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Please explain the numbers, if you would be so kind.
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Well first off, raw points is a bad way to evaluate players.

But if you need to look at points... if you go to the Matthews thread, I did a breakdown that showed what kind of points they have put up. Marner has a bunch of empty net points and has been feeding off secondary assists. We do know, through studies made on this topic, that secondary assists to a large degree is driven more by context than the player. If you want to judge players individually, primary points does a better job of that than total points.

Here's the posts in question:
Nithoniniel said:
I got a bit curious about something based on an earlier discussion. Now, I'm far from a proponent of looking primarily at points to judge players, but when I do I like to look at non-empty net primary points. The non-empty netters is pretty obvious, you are more than five times more likely to score on an empty net, which makes it very questionable to give it the same weight as a normal point. And then primary points because that's the better indicator of the player himself.

Here's how that would look for our Big Four:
PlayerRaw PointsPrimary PointsWithout Empty NetPacedDifferential
Auston Matthews7763590.890.28
Mitch Marner6446410.740.42
John Tavares5849460.780.2
William Nylander5747470.730.16
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I think this lines up much better with my impressions this season, and I think it captures just the extent to which Matthews is our MVP this season. The offense he drives is just insane.
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Nithoniniel said:
Figured that it might be interesting to see how this looks under Keefe:

Matthews - 0.86
Marner - 0.76
Tavares - 0.78
Nylander - 0.83

You can really see the shift there. The other three are standing pat, but Nylander has jumped up to absolute elite level. And if you move past per game and use per 60 instead, you get:

PlayerFull Season Sheldon Era
Matthews2.582.42
Marner2.32*2.22*
Tavares2.42.38
Nylander2.442.75
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Hello, Willy.

* This excludes his PK minutes, as that would have been unfair to him.

Edit:
As a point of reference, here's this process with Draisaitl.

Raw Points - 102
Primary - 76
Minus ENP - 70
Per Game - 1,08
Per 60 - 2,97

What an absolute point producing machine that boy is.
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Nithoniniel said:
Well first off, raw points is a bad way to evaluate players.

But if you need to look at points... if you go to the Matthews thread, I did a breakdown that showed what kind of points they have put up. Marner has a bunch of empty net points and has been feeding off secondary assists. We do know, through studies made on this topic, that secondary assists to a large degree is driven more by context than the player. If you want to judge players individually, primary points does a better job of that than secondary assists.

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So Marner is being penalized for empty net points?

Should his defensive dependability(I can only assume the holy savioir keefe is trusted to make the right choices about who is superior on defence since babcock was ruining everything and keefe is Jack Adams himself from what I see from fans) not bridge the gap between primary points and maybe even let raw total points reign?
 
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