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Rubi said:
How noble of you.
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I'm not sure what's noble about it. I'm a Seattle Mariners fan, and if someone wants to laugh at me about it, I just don't really see the humor. No shit, we're terrible - you don't think I know we're terrible?

My question is: what joy could you ever possibly get trolling all over Sabres fans?
 
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boltsfan86 said:
I "don't have sufficient privileges" to post this question in the trade chat, but what's Alex Tuch's value and why are lots of Sabres fans so reluctant to move him? Guy is 28 and is a free agent next year, doubt that he'd stay when the team doesn't appear to be very close to contending...thoughts?
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Tuch is from the area and a Sabres/Bills fan and claims to want to be there and help them turn the corner, and is the only quality veteran they have, so until he says he isn’t signing, he will be untouchable in Buffalo.
 
Bear of Bad News said:
I'm not sure what's noble about it. I'm a Seattle Mariners fan, and if someone wants to laugh at me about it, I just don't really see the humor. No shit, we're terrible - you don't think I know we're terrible?

My question is: what joy could you ever possibly get trolling all over Sabres fans?
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Nobody's trolling. To me, their team is in dire straights and has been so for years. I think the obvious solution, get rid of ownership, is never going to happen ... at least not in the in the near future. Its a mess that almost seems unfixable to most of us, or at least to me anyways, and I want to hear the opinions of others.
 
Rubi said:
Nobody's trolling. To me, their team is in dire straights and has been so for years. I think the obvious solution, get rid of ownership, is never going to happen in the near future. Its a mess that almost seems unfixable to most of us, or at least to ke anyways, and I want to hear the opinions of others.
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No, I understand your perspective now. I'm asking about this: "I used to laugh at the Sabres and their fans..."

Why? What value does it give you to do that?
 
PAZ said:
Wasn't the main reason for the fallout was because a disagreement with the medical treatment and Sabres didn't allow him to get his preferred treatment until the bridge was broken? Reddit has a nice summary of the video:

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Jack has also confirmed that he asked to be traded before he showed up already injured to the COVID shortened season. The treatment thing was a convenient way for everyone to move on - Pegula gets to get the cheaper option of not paying Eichel, Eichel gets to go to a team where he doesn't have to be the guy carrying all the expectation, Jack gets the surgery he wanted, Pegula isn't on the hook if it goes poorly.

But Jack had already asked out a year after demanding the C in his contract extension. As was said, the guy was not built for tough times and took advantage of the situation to get the C, the contract, the surgery and the trade. More power to him as a person for all that individual winning, but he's not some victim here.

https://buffalonews.com/sports/sabr...cle_6514d74a-3da7-11ec-9402-e3c2b79e9530.html
 
Bear of Bad News said:
No, I understand your perspective now. I'm asking about this: "I used to laugh at the Sabres and their fans..."

Why? What value does it give you to do that?
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Its ironic that the Sabres tanked so hard and for so many years yet all they did was get worse and worse. Its laughable to fans of other teams who teams tried to build and improve other ways while at the same time trying to remain competitive. However there comes a time when the schadenfreud becomes old and stale and somewhat stinky and you regret your previous mockery.
 
Rubi said:
Its ironic that the Sabres tanked so hard and for so many years yet all they did was get worse and worse. Its laughable to fans of other teams who teams tried to build and improve other ways while at the same time trying to remain competitive. However there comes a time when the schadenfreud becomes old and stale and somewhat stinky and you regret your previous mockery.
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Sure, okay. But why were you laughing at the fans?
 
Rubi said:
Because the fans were all for the tank.
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Because sometimes that is the best way to succeed when your org sucks at everything else. Others are happy to remain in perpetual mediocrity.

Had the Sabres won the McDavid lottery there's a good chance they're not where they have been the last decade.
 
Bear of Bad News said:
They all were?

Hey, if you have receipts for someone, go for it. I imagine that there were plenty of Sabres fans who weren't "all for the tank".
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Now you're being ridiculous... asking for recepts. Sabre fans were going gaga over the chance to draft McDavid that particular tank year. I doubt you'll find any that weren't.

Enough of this. If you want to formally charge me trolling go ahead. Do your thing.
 
Rubi said:
Now you're being ridiculous... asking for recepts. Sabre fans were going gaga over the chance to draft McDavid that particular tank year. I doubt you'll find any that weren't.

Enough of this. If you want to formally charge me trolling go ahead. Do your thing.
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Why wouldn't they? He's a franchise changer.
 
Rubi said:
Now you're being ridiculous... asking for recepts. Sabre fans were going gaga over the chance to draft McDavid that particular tank year. I doubt you'll find any that weren't.

Enough of this. If you want to formally charge me trolling go ahead. Do your thing.
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I'm not saying you're trolling here today - you need to re-read our exchange.

And there's a difference between "hey we suck but it'd be fun to have McDavid" and "we should absolutely run the tank program". Some were probably advocating for the tank. All? Absolutely not.
 
boltsfan86 said:
I "don't have sufficient privileges" to post this question in the trade chat, but what's Alex Tuch's value and why are lots of Sabres fans so reluctant to move him? Guy is 28 and is a free agent next year, doubt that he'd stay when the team doesn't appear to be very close to contending...thoughts?
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Because there's no point in them trading their few decent veterans for more magic beans. What they need to do is trade their youth for veterans, even if some of those veterans are downgrades on paper. The team is way too young and inexperienced and thats why they are so wildly inconsistent game-to-game.

If I was the Buffalo GM, I'd try to do something like the follows, based on who's been rumored to be available:

Boeser for Cozens + Kulich + 3rd
Brock Nelson for Ostlund + Kleber + 3rd
Helenius or Wahlberg for a 25-27yr old gritty forward like Rasmussen or someone similar. I'm just using him as an example because I'm familiar with him, but anyone of his ilk will do. A Blake Coleman lite. I wouldn't even want to give Ras up for a prospect but just spitballing here for academic purposes.

Rasmus Andersson for Byram + Strbak + 2nd

Go into next year with:

Boeser-Thompson-Tuch
Zucker-Nelson-Benson
Rosen-McLeod-Rasmussen
Malenstyn-Krebs-UFA signing
UFA depth

Dahlin-Andersson
Power-Jokijarhu
Samuelsson-Clifton
Bryson

They need to essentially replace 3-4 of their young players with a similar, maybe slightly worse player, that's like 5 years older. I am convinced this is the issue with the team.
Compare them to Detroit. Based purely on talent and ability, a core of Raymond/Larkin/DeBrincat/Kasper/Kane + Seider/Ed should not be THAT much better than Peterka/Thompson/Tuch/Cozens/Benson/Zucker + Power/Dahlin, but it is. It's because the Buffalo guys are all super young other than Zucker and Tuch.
 
Rubi said:
Its ironic that the Sabres tanked so hard and for so many years yet all they did was get worse and worse. Its laughable to fans of other teams who teams tried to build and improve other ways while at the same time trying to remain competitive. However there comes a time when the schadenfreud becomes old and stale and somewhat stinky and you regret your previous mockery.
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Pump the breaks a moment, friend. Teams have actively tanked themselves to try to insure getting a higher quality pick almost as long as the draft has existed. The Penguins in the Lemieux draft were certainly a prime example. Don Maloney referenced trying to secure a top 2 pick in the 2015 draft and wound up being screwed out of it by the lottery win by Edmonton. Same as most teams well out of the playoffs do every season -

Coyotes GM admits tanking for shot at McDavid last season

That's essentially what Arizona Coyotes general manager Don Maloney did Monday. Maloney was asked by Sports Illustrated's Alex Prewitt to explain how Coyotes defenseman Oliver Ekman-Larsson placed 17th in Norris Trophy voting last season.

"It's really reflective of our team," Maloney said. "Last year, we plunged. I did not do much to help our team (in) the last two months. If we were going to be bad, my attitude was, let's be real bad. There was a pretty big prize for being really bad."
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...the difference is that Murray didn't hide it. He didn't give the "oh, hey, we tried" hockey platitudes that so often circulate in the GM pressers to end seasons and instead admitted to it. Same with his disappointment at getting the 2nd best guy - he wanted 1OA and was unvarnished enough to let it show. I'm sure some of that is part of why he's not in hockey anymore.

Eddie Johnston called up a career AHL goalie to make sure the Pens got Lemieux and his coach has admitted to it, but because Eddie never came out and said it, that makes it somehow okay.

I'd also say that the McDavid draft had a lot more scrutiny and they even went so far as to change the lottery prior to it - teams all wanted even the slimmest of shots at him because he was touted to be (and has been) such an incredible player. So perhaps adjust the saddle on your high horse to expand it to every team that's ever been at the bottom of the draft and tried to shuffle out vets for futures which at this point is literally every franchise prior to Vegas.
 
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Jack has also confirmed that he asked to be traded before he showed up already injured to the COVID shortened season. The treatment thing was a convenient way for everyone to move on - Pegula gets to get the cheaper option of not paying Eichel, Eichel gets to go to a team where he doesn't have to be the guy carrying all the expectation, Jack gets the surgery he wanted, Pegula isn't on the hook if it goes poorly.

But Jack had already asked out a year after demanding the C in his contract extension. As was said, the guy was not built for tough times and took advantage of the situation to get the C, the contract, the surgery and the trade. More power to him as a person for all that individual winning, but he's not some victim here.

https://buffalonews.com/sports/sabr...cle_6514d74a-3da7-11ec-9402-e3c2b79e9530.html
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He didn't ask to be traded, he asked the GM the direction the team was going and if it was another rebuild then he suggested it was time for a change on both ends. GM said no and went out and signed hall, stall and others trying to push for the playoffs.

And then the neck injury is where the actual trade request came in, because buffalo didn't want there injured player to get fully healed, only wanted a quick fix that has proven to not last for professional athletes.
 
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