HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #90: 2024-2025 season part III

[Eegs]

Dach + Bogdan

I'd do it but I wonder how much value rival GMs would value Bog. He feels like a throw in with 3rd/4th round value even if we think/know he's worth more

 

[Vachon23]

I'd do it but I wonder how much value rival GMs would value Bog. He feels like a throw in with 3rd/4th round value even if we think/know he's worth more

I don’t think he’s worth more then that personally

 

[MD thaivuN]

I'd do it but I wonder how much value rival GMs would value Bog. He feels like a throw in with 3rd/4th round value even if we think/know he's worth more

He'll need to play in the NHL to get that Jordan Harris value

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I'd trade Dach. He's just not getting the center position at all. He's so so bad defensively. I'd give him the rest of the year & trade him at the draft.

Philadelphia is desperate for centers, so maybe we can use him for their 1st round pick this year if it's top 10, which it should be.

Resign Evans, and come back next year with Suzuki, Kapanen, Beck & Evans. We need a stop gap centre until Hage is ready. I'm not sure Kapanen & Beck are top 6 C.

It would be really, really helpful if we could draft Misa as I think he can step into the #2C spot right away.

Hagens should go back to college for another year like Cooley, but imo, he's only a year away.

 

[LaP]

Whole team went sideways after Heiny got hurt.
shows how weak this team is right now for depth. to rely on Pezz, shows KH needs to shore this team up
Davidson needs a chance

I've been saying since the beginning of the good sequence that our vets mostly suck. Yeah i can see why some fans thought the vets were responsible for the good sequence as they were playing well and our fanbase has been brainwashed over the years by RDS to think that young = bad and vets = good.

But this is how mediocre complimentary players work. If the team plays well they look good and if the team is not playing well then they don't or they still do but they're not god enough to move the needle and the team lose. The good sequence was mostly on the back of Hutson playing like prime EK65, Laine scoring at a 50 goals pace, Guhle being solid defensively, Suzuki and Caufield playing well and being ~ppg players and the goalies blocking more than 91% of the shots.

I think lot of our fans grossly overrate our bottom 6 vets. Yeah they play better this year but i don't see guys who wiill run down the opposition with physical play, hits and a strong forecheck. If you stat watch it looks ok but outside of Evans-Armia those guys make it easy on the other teams most nights imo. And Evans-Armia are not as effective without Heineman who was very strong on the forecheck. Anderson-Dvorak-Gallagher try their best but they don't have the stamima like the younger version of themselves had. It's an easy team to play against from the top to the bottom.

 

[ReHabs]

I'd trade Dach. He's just not getting the center position at all. He's so so bad defensively. I'd give him the rest of the year & trade him at the draft.

Would be interesting to trade Dach at the deadline in order to tank harder and take advantage of the market. Plenty of teams would consider him for their THIRD line and maybe even pay for the potential upside.

I would want him for our third line too but we don't have a second line, so we gotta figure that out first and it seems Dach is likely a part of the outgoing pieces for that acquisition.

Before March 7, Kent Hughes would be interested in making a trade that he would make in June. If the Canadiens add [a player] to their roster in a major way or at least something semi-significant, that's something we would be comfortable doing for the following seasons." - Pierre LeBrun
The Canadiens management never got lost in the ups and downs of this year, we really kept our [long-term] vision. The only thing is that short-term wins and losses still have an impact on the Joel Armia, Jake Evans, David Savard and Christian Dvorak files. It's sure that it can have an impact on these players before March 7." - Pierre LeBrun

Music to my ears. Basically what we were all hearing: if the team was in a playoff spot, they wouldn't sell -- if they're not in the playoff spot, they will sell.

 

[A Loyal Demidog]

I'd trade Dach. He's just not getting the center position at all. He's so so bad defensively. I'd give him the rest of the year & trade him at the draft.

Philadelphia is desperate for centers, so maybe we can use him for their 1st round pick this year if it's top 10, which it should be.

Resign Evans, and come back next year with Suzuki, Kapanen, Beck & Evans. We need a stop gap centre until Hage is ready. I'm not sure Kapanen & Beck are top 6 C.

It would be really, really helpful if we could draft Misa as I think he can step into the #2C spot right away.

Hagens should go back to college for another year like Cooley, but imo, he's only a year away.

Dach + ? for Michkov

 

[EveryDay]

Can't wait to see the cost to acquire Armia at TDL. He's been really solid in the past 12 months.

Dvorak for a 5th? Sure.
Savard for a 2nd? Ok.

Could Laine be available with retention?
What about Dach?

I'll keep Evans but a deal must be finalize before TDL.

 

[LaineBOOM]

I'd trade Dach. He's just not getting the center position at all. He's so so bad defensively. I'd give him the rest of the year & trade him at the draft.

Agreed. And while Laine is no defensive wizard I would like to see him play center at some point just to see if he can be an upgrade to Dach. Those of us who have seen all Laine's games as a center already know that he would be.

Laine has been good at that position. Both his center stints have been cut short though, at Columbus due to an injury, and at Jets due to.. umm, well lets just say he was not yet ready for the complete center game, even though he played well.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Agreed. And while Laine is no defensive wizard I would like to see him play center at some point just to see if he can be an upgrade to Dach. Those of us who have seen all Laine's games as a center already know that he would be.

Laine has been good at that position. Both his center stints have been cut short though, at Columbus due to an injury, and at Jets due to.. umm, well lets just say he was not yet ready for the complete center game, even though he played well.

...if people think Dach is bad a C, wait til they see Controller Disconnected at C...it would be like just not having a C there defensively for the entire shift...

 

[Kosseca]

I'd trade Dach. He's just not getting the center position at all. He's so so bad defensively. I'd give him the rest of the year & trade him at the draft.

Philadelphia is desperate for centers, so maybe we can use him for their 1st round pick this year if it's top 10, which it should be.

Resign Evans, and come back next year with Suzuki, Kapanen, Beck & Evans. We need a stop gap centre until Hage is ready. I'm not sure Kapanen & Beck are top 6 C.

It would be really, really helpful if we could draft Misa as I think he can step into the #2C spot right away.

Hagens should go back to college for another year like Cooley, but imo, he's only a year away.

Dach isn't a C, but he can be a useful W. he's got size, spd and some skills. His board play is improving and he's got an edge in his play that I like. He's still not at 100%. He's a fail experiment at C, but I have given up on him as a useful player. Heck, I would want to see him back on a line with CC and Suzuki at some point this season.... Slaf is borderline useless right now.

Re-signing Evans is necessary, unless he ask for too much.

As far as i'm concern, Newhook is the odd man out. he got spd, but isnt a good C and lack strenght/finishing to play W

 

[Team_Spirit]

 

[Riggins]

Dach on the 3rd line at wing would be fine. Then he can also play wing in the top 6 in a pinch. But if someone wants him in a package and we're getting a clear upgrade, thank you and goodbye Kirby.

Honestly, Slafkovsky is probably the best piece to use if we are able to secure that clear upgrade at center or defence. Not a Cozens type. It would need to be an established player who fits our timeline. So in other words... probably not happening.

With Laine, we have all of next year to evaluate him. If he plays well I'd still only re-sign him short-term. He's not the type of player anyone will risk giving a long-term deal to. If he keeps looking like crap at even strength then you trade him at the deadline or let him walk.

 

[Benstheman]

Is this a good or a bad thing?

 

[Vachon23]

Is this a good or a bad thing?

I mean they where only 3 games yesterday and scouts are paid to actually attend NHL game

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Is this a good or a bad thing?

It’s good for the fans who like to speculate about trades.

There’s a significant move coming. We don’t know who that is, but all signs would point to Jake Evans. He hasn’t been signed and his camp has leaked it out that there have been no negotiations.

Reliable center depth is in incredible demand at the moment. Depth with a negligible cap hit and one of the premier penalty killers in the league? Even better.

I believe Hughes is trying to build a bidding war on Evans, while also trying to raise value on Armia (maybe package them together as the best penalty killing duo in the league?) and others.

Unlike others, I don’t see Dach being traded, but I also don’t see him as a second line center either. If he’s moved it’s more likely to be in the off season.

 

[ML16]

The more I think about it, the more I think that Hughes is going to be hunting around very hard for a 2C this TDL and Draft/FA period.

I think it's becoming apparent that we don't have anyone fit for that position, and there isn't anyone in the pipeline that can arrive soon enough and with enough certainty to make an impact. I don't think we can walk into next season with a giant question mark at 2C again. It would probably mean we miss the playoffs again.

I'm not sure Cozens is the answer, myself, but it is interesting to think about.

Definitively! Habs cannot really afford to have a questionable 2C to start next season; unless they somehow separate Caufield and Suzuki, one of Slafkovski or Demidov will be on the second line and he’d optimally need a steadier C than Dach to further its progression.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I'd trade Dach. He's just not getting the center position at all. He's so so bad defensively. I'd give him the rest of the year & trade him at the draft.

Philadelphia is desperate for centers, so maybe we can use him for their 1st round pick this year if it's top 10, which it should be.

Resign Evans, and come back next year with Suzuki, Kapanen, Beck & Evans. We need a stop gap centre until Hage is ready. I'm not sure Kapanen & Beck are top 6 C.

It would be really, really helpful if we could draft Misa as I think he can step into the #2C spot right away.

Hagens should go back to college for another year like Cooley, but imo, he's only a year away.

Can’t stand watching him do a loop around the opponents net when the puck is already in our zone

 

[LaineBOOM]

...if people think Dach is bad a C, wait til they see Controller Disconnected at C...it would be like just not having a C there defensively for the entire shift...

In Laine's current shape and form I agree, it wouldnt work. But when he is back in shape I wouldnt rule it out in case we strike out on all possible 2C upgrade options.

Laine was very well suited to center, it even minimized some of the other flaws he has, for example that he is just not made (anymore) for the fast accelerations needed for wing. At center you will organically have much smaller need for those.

 

[ReHabs]

Can’t stand watching him do a loop around the opponents net when the puck is already in our zone

Yes, yes, but what about Laine? How can we circle this back to Laine?

 

[LaineBOOM]

Luckily for Laine with Demidov in his line there is much more time to get into perfect shooting positions, as Demi is the kind of guy who enjoys taking shifty long routes in the offensive zone when he has the puck there. Laine can even stop for a quick Fortnite-match on his way to the offensive zone.

Yes, yes, but what about Laine? How can we circle this back to Laine?

Well this is the Laine-thread, so the haters/lovers will return back to Laine organically.

Oops, I see that this is NOT the Laine-thread

 

[BergevinBurner]

Luckily for Laine with Demidov in his line there is much more time to get into perfect shooting positions, as Demi is the kind of guy who enjoys taking shifty long routes in the offensive zone when he has the puck there. Laine can even stop for a quick Fortnite-match on his way to the offensive zone.


Well this is the Laine-thread, so the haters/lovers will return back to Laine organically.

If they can get a physically engaged, legitimate 2C this summer then I stand by the opinion that our 2nd line could be more dangerous than our 1st line next season.

 

[junyab]

We lost our opportunity to trade assets and stay bottom of the league. Moving anyone we're ok moving isn't going to have us in a tank position anymore. That ship has sailed, sadly.

 

[BergevinBurner]

Not sure if this has been posted yet. I know he doesn't have a perfect track record, but he definitely has connections in the New York sports market.

 

[skidcells]

Not sure if this has been posted yet. I know he doesn't have a perfect track record, but he definitely has connections in the New York sports market.

Wake me up when September ends