Speculation: Will Richards Be A King Come Next Season?

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All of the centers you mentioned are older except Stastny and more expensive except Kessler. None of them are 4th line centers except Richards. I would take
Kessler over Richards if that was all it cost the Kings. He is only 1 year older has only 2 years left on his contract and is currently more productive. Your solution to
put Carter on the line with Gaborik/ Kopitar would be ideal except this year Richards
was not up to it. I sure if the others you mention are ready they can replace
Clifford/Lewis next year but let prove they are available or ready first.

Mike Richards is NOT a 4 th line center because Sutter is choosing to use him, at time, on the 4th line , where he's averaging 15-17 min per game.
If you watched the Kings all year, and perhaps you didn't, I don't know that, Richards had 27 points in 32 games and playing aggressive, terrific hockey in all 3 zones. Then something happened in December that derailed his season. Whether it an injury or the illness (that TSN said was still having an impact on him at the Olympic break) it was the reason his play dipped. Lombardi and Sutter are both aware of that.
Richards when healthy is a smarter , better and far more dangerous player than SToll with a higher IQ. in no universe is Stoll the better center. Richards will NOT be centering the 4th line next year.

The Kings were not one of the 6 teams Kessler had on his list and why would the Kings want a player whose teammates voted the letter off his jersey this past winter? And in 2 years when he's asking for north of 7million? And he's never bested Richards when they've competed head to head nor does he possess the pedigree Ricahrds does for producing championships and gold, not in Juniors, not in the AHL , the NHL or the Olympics..

Kessler isn't more productive than Richards, and esp in the playoffs.
also, the asking price is very high and the Kings don't have 1 vital piece the Canucks are requesting, an 'established ' NHL center no older than 25, along with a top prospect and high pick.
 
Mike Richards is NOT a 4 th line center because Sutter is choosing to use him, at time, on the 4th line , where he's averaging 15-17 min per game.
If you watched the Kings all year, and perhaps you didn't, I don't know that, Richards had 27 points in 32 games and playing aggressive, terrific hockey in all 3 zones.

Even though we don't see eye to eye on this player, I respect your opinion and you usually bring up solid facts, but it is a fallacy to say that Mike Richards was playing well in all 3 zones before December. While it is true his offensive game fell off for whatever reason after a hot start his defensive metrics were terrible all season and were terrible in 2013 as well.
 
Kesler is a great player, but obviously the Kings are set at C with Kopitar and Carter.

He will likely end up in Chicago or Anaheim and that would strengthen both teams. Patrick Kane is supposedly lobbying behind the scenes for Chicago to get Kesler.
 
Even though we don't see eye to eye on this player, I respect your opinion and you usually bring up solid facts, but it is a fallacy to say that Mike Richards was playing well in all 3 zones before December. While it is true his offensive game fell off for whatever reason after a hot start his defensive metrics were terrible all season and were terrible in 2013 as well.

Been the worst defensive Center on the team since about Feb of 2013(according to some stats).

The December Chicago game of this season is where Richards offense just dove off a cliff. I use to defend Richards to no end as well. But once you look into the numbers/advanced stats (corsi ETC)

They don't lie, Richards entire game(all three zones) has fallen off a cliff. I love Mike Richards he is a good person, but I can't deny his play has dropped off considerably.

With that out of the way, I would like to see Richards stay in LA this off-season, and train with Stoll. I think getting in tip top shape would help Richards be more effective.
 
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Kesler is a great player, but obviously the Kings are set at C with Kopitar and Carter.

He will likely end up in Chicago or Anaheim and that would strengthen both teams. Patrick Kane is supposedly lobbying behind the scenes for Chicago to get Kesler.


I thought about Chicago too, since the Hawks have needed a legit #2 for a few years, but they don't the pieces that the Canucks want and their CAP situation next year and the year after isn't good. That's one reason Sharpe, Boychuck and a few others are being shopped.
And they used both buyouts and are stuck with Hossa' thru 2021.

The asking price, I think, is a bit high. I'm not giving up a young' established' top center under 25, a top prospect and a # 1 pick (which is why the Pens deal didn't go thru at the deadline, I read) for Kessler
Somebody will overpay.
 
Honestly there is no way dean Lombardi buys out Rick. The guy is the prototypical winner. The perfect player and leader to have on your team.

Anyone that wants to get rid of a Mike Richards at his contract hit is nucking futs. He is invaluable.
 
I have said it and felt the same way all along.

We will keep MR and find a way to do whatever else needs to be done. I understand the reason why some of us are concerned about how this will happen but I believe that MR is too valuable a piece of the puzzle to move let alone buy out. MR will bounce back or at worst balance out his play enough to where he will remain a very valuable player for the Kings.

This will work out in our favor without a doubt and MR will remain a King and as that happens I for one will be very happy.
 
Honestly there is no way dean Lombardi buys out Rick. The guy is the prototypical winner. The perfect player and leader to have on your team.

Anyone that wants to get rid of a Mike Richards at his contract hit is nucking futs. He is invaluable.

But again, you guys say all this stuff but then refuse to acknowledge who from this team that you are willing to sacrifice to keep him beyond next season when the cap issues will start.

Do you want Brown traded?
Do you want Muzzin traded?
Do you want two of Martinez, Stoll and Williams to leave as UFA's?

The GM quoted in the article said it best, "LA has some tough decisions to make" , and maybe you are right, they will keep Richards for the life of the contract, but then that means the tough decision is losing some of the guys listed above.
 
But again, you guys say all this stuff but then refuse to acknowledge who from this team that you are willing to sacrifice to keep him beyond next season.

Do you want Brown traded?
Do you want Muzzin traded?
Do you want two of Martinez, Stoll and Williams to leave as UFA's?

The GM quoted in the article said it best, "LA has some tough decisions to make" , and maybe you are right, they will keep Richards for the life of the contract, but then that means the tough decision is losing some of the guys listed above.

As you know, I'm ok with either move or no move, but I'm not seeing concrete evidence that any of those players you've mentioned need to be moved, other than perhaps Amart. It really depends on what Stoll and JW re-signs for, assuming they will re-sign.
 
Our local speculative pundit penned this article:

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/hockey/jets/Fit-for-a-King-262643351.html

My opinion? I don't see Richards being bought out.

I don't read much of Lawless' stuff because, well, its Lawless, but I had to laugh. The article is about how LA might buy out Richards due to his $5.75 million cap hit, yet says Winnipeg should "offer 3 years at $4 million. Or more if needed." So by "more" I'd assume he'd be ok with $4.5 million, maybe even up to $5 million.

If that's the case, how is Richards' contract so bad that we need to buy it out when apparently he's only slightly overpaid by about $1 million a year cap-wise? We could just trade him to Winnipeg (or some place else) and get assets back, not waste millions to rid us of a contract that isn't even all that bad.

But again, you guys say all this stuff but then refuse to acknowledge who from this team that you are willing to sacrifice to keep him beyond next season when the cap issues will start.

Do you want Brown traded?
Do you want Muzzin traded?
Do you want two of Martinez, Stoll and Williams to leave as UFA's?

The GM quoted in the article said it best, "LA has some tough decisions to make" , and maybe you are right, they will keep Richards for the life of the contract, but then that means the tough decision is losing some of the guys listed above.

And again, I think several people have posted in this thread that there won't be cap issues, assuming the cap continues to rise steadily and ownership continues to allow DL to spend to the cap limit, both of which appear very likely. Some, including myself, have even posted cap projections for next year, WITH Gaborik signed. Yet you continue to hammer on this.

WHAT cap issues? I know you are talking not just next year but two years down the line, but if the cap is $75 million in two years, which seems likely and in fact could be a fair bit higher, what are our issues Herby?

We know Brown's cap hit, Muzzin we can ballpark at $4.5 million a season, Martinez is a big X-factor, but more so because DS seems to not like him more than it is to get him signed. I expect Stoll to be released after next season and replaced from within or via trade as his strength is his leadership and faceoff skills, not the things that general cost a lot of cap room to replace. Williams, who knows but I wager $4 to $4.5 million a season on his next deal, all depending on his regular season performance next year.

And if you are worrying about Toffoli and Pearson, don't. They have looked good in the playoffs, 100% agree on that, but Toffoli had 29 points in 65 games this season while Pearson had seven in 25 games. Odds are both will get a bridge contract for two or three years like O'Sullivan, Johnson, etc. They don't have arbitration right if I'm not mistaken and thus have virtually no leverage, DL will keep them cheap for a few more years.

DL has shown time and again he can keep this team together under the cap, all without NTC's/NMC's (minus Brown who has a partial one) so excuse me if I trust him to do it again...and again...again. If he thinks Mike Richards is worthy of being kept around and making that cap hit, I trust not only his judgement on that but also his ability to make it work within the cap and the Kings salary structure.
 
As you know, I'm ok with either move or no move, but I'm not seeing concrete evidence that any of those players you've mentioned need to be moved, other than perhaps Amart. It really depends on what Stoll and JW re-signs for, assuming they will re-sign.

It also depends on what the cap is not this coming season but two seasons from now. If the cap goes up to $70M (though both $69 and $72 have been suggested) then wouldn't the following season likely go up to closer to $72/$75m potentially?

I am not going to worry about who we will or won't be able to retain the season following the next. Nor am I going to give up on MR's ability to recapture his O without clear evidence that it can't happen which there clearly isn't yet. Even then I would keep MR around.

Not to mention that we have Vey and Shore and Andy on the farm who will be ready to go arguably this coming season but certainly the following one. We also have McNabb Gravel Forbort ready or right there by this coming and next season in case we need to make room there as well.

Things just aren't dire enough for me to be concerned. I understand why some are I just don't see it the same way.
 
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It also depends on what the cap is not this coming season but two seasons from now. If the cap goes up to $70M (though both $69 and $72 have been suggested) then wouldn't the following season likely go up to closer to $72/$75m potentially?

I am not going to worry about who we will or won't be able to retain the season following the next. Nor am I going to give up on MR's ability to recapture his O without clear evidence that it can't happen which there clearly isn't yet. Even then I would keep MR around.

Not to mention that we have Vey and Shore and Andy on the farm who will be ready to go arguably this coming season but certainly the following one. We also have McNabb Gravel Forbort ready or right there by this coming and next season in case we need to make room there as well.

Things just aren't dire enough for me to be concerned. I understand why some are I just don't see it the same way.


This article from a couple days ago goes into some detail with projections based on this years revenue, which won't be final until the playoffs are over or tomorrow morning (right? LOL)

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on...it-37-billion-cap-likely-to-exceed-70-million

There is a graph in the center of the article that lists the CAP based on revenue
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There is also this:

Chris Botta @ChrisBottaNHL
Follow Source: NHL natl revenue approx. $3.7 billion this season. With new CAN TV deal, will be well over $4B next season. More in SBJ.


Based on the chart , that would make next year 70.6 to 71 million without the final totals yet
Bob McKenzie said that the CAP in the following year is expected to go up about 8 to 10%, which would make 2015 in the neighborhood of 76 M to 77.8M
But again, he's projecting, it still comes down to revenue, but this year's did exceed what Bettman's projected, so next year's could as well.
 
This article from a couple days ago goes into some detail with projections based on this years revenue, which won't be final until the playoffs are over or tomorrow morning (right? LOL)

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on...it-37-billion-cap-likely-to-exceed-70-million

There is a graph in the center of the article that lists the CAP based on revenue
.
There is also this:

Chris Botta @ChrisBottaNHL
Follow Source: NHL natl revenue approx. $3.7 billion this season. With new CAN TV deal, will be well over $4B next season. More in SBJ.


Based on the chart , that would make next year 70.6 to 71 million without the final totals yet
Bob McKenzie said that the CAP in the following year is expected to go up about 8 to 10%, which would make 2015 in the neighborhood of 76 M to 77.8M
But again, he's projecting, it still comes down to revenue, but this year's did exceed what Bettman's projected, so next year's could as well.

Yep and Yep.

Though I think that it isn't right to even consider moving MR from the team regardless of the cap. If he isn't a core part of our recent success then nobody else is either. I understand that some feel that he is paid too much for what he is capable of producing offencively this season (post december that is) but I don't think he is close to done nor do I think we win without him.

I wonder what the team would say if they were asked about the possibility of MR being bought out or moved due to a lack of O production. I have a feeling that there would be some hostility towards that line of questioning.
 
A $77.8 million cap in 2015-2016 would leave DL with a pretty big grin on his face as he's writing up a shopping list for July 1, 2015.
 
Yep and Yep.

Though I think that it isn't right to even consider moving MR from the team regardless of the cap. If he isn't a core part of our recent success then nobody else is either. I understand that some feel that he is paid too much for what he is capable of producing offencively this season (post december that is) but I don't think he is close to done nor do I think we win without him.

I wonder what the team would say if they were asked about the possibility of MR being bought out or moved due to a lack of O production. I have a feeling that there would be some hostility towards that line of questioning.

According to Darren Dreger, the Kings have said they have no plans to buy out Richards. Guess time will tell.
 
According to Darren Dreger, the Kings have said they have no plans to buy out Richards. Guess time will tell.

Yep.

I would find it outside the realm of possibility. You never know how things will work out with perfect certainty but like I have said all along I haven't heard anything that would make me think that the Kings were considering buying MR out or really any reason for them to do so.
 
This article from a couple days ago goes into some detail with projections based on this years revenue, which won't be final until the playoffs are over or tomorrow morning (right? LOL)

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on...it-37-billion-cap-likely-to-exceed-70-million

There is a graph in the center of the article that lists the CAP based on revenue
.
There is also this:

Chris Botta @ChrisBottaNHL
Follow Source: NHL natl revenue approx. $3.7 billion this season. With new CAN TV deal, will be well over $4B next season. More in SBJ.


Based on the chart , that would make next year 70.6 to 71 million without the final totals yet
Bob McKenzie said that the CAP in the following year is expected to go up about 8 to 10%, which would make 2015 in the neighborhood of 76 M to 77.8M
But again, he's projecting, it still comes down to revenue, but this year's did exceed what Bettman's projected, so next year's could as well.

 
Anyone I talked to in (my circle's of info) said that buying out Richards, is crazy talk .

Only thing I could get out of folks was, Lombardi/Blake will most likely (logically) ask Richards to recommit himself to fitness.
 
Anyone else think a Richards for Spezza deal can be possible? If there really is truth to what Dreger says about Richards?

EDIT: Assuming the Sens do retain a bit of Spezza's contract..
 

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