Speculation: Will Richards Be A King Come Next Season?

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He's made a couple of huge plays throughout these playoffs but you do have to look at the bigger picture--are there more good days than bad?

And even so I think we'll be seeing him stick around regardless. I have to think there's an issue of some sort--injury, concussion, fitness, whatever. Don't see DL doing anything drastic considering the run we've had thus far, as he was loyal to a fault to the 2012 team.
 
To add to that, he even started the breakout that gave the Kings the rush to attack the Rangers, which forced them to make an error and he was at the right place at the right time to gather the puck and feed a pass to an open Justin Williams.

That's a big play from a big game player. Naturally, he shows what he has left in the tank when he's playing with linemates of that caliber. I mean, it's hard for him to turn Trevor Lewis into a scoring machine when you look at all of the grand opportunities the man squanders.

This.

Tonight was why Richards is worth the money and why he's not going anywhere, anytime soon.

Deal with it.
 
Well, that's just it though...you don't judge him because of just one good game. How about if he has 20 bad games? And believe me, I don't think Richards gets moved, but judging him based on tonight's game is not really looking at the bigger picture.

It's hardly one good game. The guy is CONSISTENTLY good away from the puck, he's an excellent teammate, and a great leader, especially for kids like TT and TP. Sutter sees it, and so does Lombardi. Dude ain't going anywhere.
 
It's hardly one good game. The guy is CONSISTENTLY good away from the puck, he's an excellent teammate, and a great leader, especially for kids like TT and TP. Sutter sees it, and so does Lombardi. Dude ain't going anywhere.

And therefore he has team's worst +/- in the playoffs and had team's worst +/- during the regular season.

Mike Richards, team's most overrated player.
 
There is zero chance this happens. In fact, less than zero. Why can't this meaningless, speculative thread just die. There is a better chance of me hitting the lottery than this happening. This is why this team is not built on performance vs money, but skill, determination, leadership and teamwork. That's exactly how Sutter and Lombardi want it. Fans are myopic. They really are. Sorry, I'm not taking a shot at you personally, but everyone needs to look at the big picture here.

no sweat R, no offense taken. i know how much DL to DS to the guys in the locker room value what you mentioned. the intangibles. personally to me those are as valuable as a guy that is all over the score sheet. without the plugger, plumbers and leaders in a line up the scoring machine isn't scoring.

listen i love Richie and am glad that Dean brought him here, but when you look at the long-term financial status of Mike's contract in relation to the cap and all the contracts coming up I can't see how Dean will make it work. someone (or maybe multiple) will have to take the hit to keep Mike. some guys likely coming off ELC's and into their second contracts may possibly be re-signed for lower amounts.

what happens in say 3-5 years when and if perhaps TTT or Pearson are due a new contract, but Dean doesn't have the cash?

what happens if LA has to trade a guy coming into their prime in a few years from now because they can't afford them? it is a reality this could happen, because of the big long term contracts Dean has given multiple players (not just Mike's and Jeff's contracts from PHI).

i know Dean is a wizard with the cap, but what he can't control is a player's increased performance that will garner a higher cap hit. look at guys like Muzzin and Martinez, they have improved greatly this year and if they continue it may cost more to keep them than Dean had booked out down the road. I'm not saying they are going to be $4 -6M, but what if Dean had them 'slotted' at $2M, but because of their performance and comparable contracts calls for them to get $3M?

it is these types of scenarios that i don't see where Dean will have the wiggle room he always likes to keep all season. i'm not even talking about how he likes to keep room for the trade deadline just in case.

as much as we've *****ed about Stoll being a $3M #3C, now imagine Mike as a $6M #3 or 4C.

there is only so much $$$ to go around, there is no way around this in the cap era. that is the decision that Dean has to make. is he prepared to pay Mike $5.75M per season come 5-years from now, with another year to go?

will Mike turn into the next old man Smyth'ers? barely able to make it up and down the ice, while garnering a big paycheck that handcuffs the Kings from maybe signing player(s) that will improve the team?

are you as fans willing to possibly accept Richards in 2019 and what that could mean to the overall line up? after this summer if Dean doesn't use his buyout then the Kings and the fans are "all in" on Richards and what that may mean in 5+ years.

Are you saying that Lombardi will buy him out, or that he should buy him out?

saying Dean still has his two 'get out jail' cards to use, which he could use on Richards.
 
I'm a Richards fan and value what he brings to a team. However he's no longer the player he once was and just isn't worth $5.75 mil for 6 more years. At $3 mil per year, he would be a great fit under the salary cap structure, but that's not the contract he has.
The other thing to keep in mind is that this summer is the last chance to use the compliance buy-out. Those of you saying to give him one more year - they won't be able to do this next summer without a hefty penalty against the cap.

If Lombardi does decide to part ways with him, I hope he at least finds a willing trade partner, so that this buy-out business doesn't come into play.

What I was saying is DL will probably give him another year. If Richards plays poorly next year, he'll move him then. People keep coming up with this accounting nightmares and how screwed the Kings will be. While that is a possibility, people have been saying this for years about other teams and it just doesn't happen. People act if DL is Pejorative Slured and hasn't considered all of this. If he sticks with Richards, and I think he will, I think he is cognizant of his play and will have an out plan of some kind. This is the annual chicken little thread. While the playoffs (now final) are going on no less. Look at the Regher thread from last year. Remember how much that was going to **** the team?

I don't see Lombardi breaking up the team chemistry on this team.

He won't if they win the cup. Not happening.

Any team dumb enough to sign Gaborik after a single post-season deserves what they get. And at his age, and with his injury history, it isn't going to be a pot of gold. It's going to be a one-dimensional winger without that one dimension.

Thanks, carnac. He put up some good numbers in NY. I'm not worried about Gaborik. I doubt any Kings fan is.
 
And therefore he has team's worst +/- in the playoffs and had team's worst +/- during the regular season.

Mike Richards, team's most overrated player.

Actually that's Trevor Lewis, which may explain Richards -4 and lack of scoring production.
 
He needs to play on one of the top 3 lines. If he's not good enough to play on a top line on this team anymore they should try to trade him at the deadline next season. Try to pickup a left defensemen to play with Voynov, and give Vey Richards spot.
 
no sweat R, no offense taken. i know how much DL to DS to the guys in the locker room value what you mentioned. the intangibles. personally to me those are as valuable as a guy that is all over the score sheet. without the plugger, plumbers and leaders in a line up the scoring machine isn't scoring.

listen i love Richie and am glad that Dean brought him here, but when you look at the long-term financial status of Mike's contract in relation to the cap and all the contracts coming up I can't see how Dean will make it work. someone (or maybe multiple) will have to take the hit to keep Mike. some guys likely coming off ELC's and into their second contracts may possibly be re-signed for lower amounts.

what happens in say 3-5 years when and if perhaps TTT or Pearson are due a new contract, but Dean doesn't have the cash?

what happens if LA has to trade a guy coming into their prime in a few years from now because they can't afford them? it is a reality this could happen, because of the big long term contracts Dean has given multiple players (not just Mike's and Jeff's contracts from PHI).

i know Dean is a wizard with the cap, but what he can't control is a player's increased performance that will garner a higher cap hit. look at guys like Muzzin and Martinez, they have improved greatly this year and if they continue it may cost more to keep them than Dean had booked out down the road. I'm not saying they are going to be $4 -6M, but what if Dean had them 'slotted' at $2M, but because of their performance and comparable contracts calls for them to get $3M?

it is these types of scenarios that i don't see where Dean will have the wiggle room he always likes to keep all season. i'm not even talking about how he likes to keep room for the trade deadline just in case.

as much as we've *****ed about Stoll being a $3M #3C, now imagine Mike as a $6M #3 or 4C.

there is only so much $$$ to go around, there is no way around this in the cap era. that is the decision that Dean has to make. is he prepared to pay Mike $5.75M per season come 5-years from now, with another year to go?

will Mike turn into the next old man Smyth'ers? barely able to make it up and down the ice, while garnering a big paycheck that handcuffs the Kings from maybe signing player(s) that will improve the team?

are you as fans willing to possibly accept Richards in 2019 and what that could mean to the overall line up? after this summer if Dean doesn't use his buyout then the Kings and the fans are "all in" on Richards and what that may mean in 5+ years.



saying Dean still has his two 'get out jail' cards to use, which he could use on Richards.

Those are good points but it requires an awful lot of speculation about what the future can bring (injuries, free agents, who will re-sign, drafted players that blossom, CAP going up or down). While you can plan all you want, you cannot control all factors. Lombardi's job is to put a winning team on the ice consistently, and he has done that. The talk about a buy-out (in fan circles, I seriously doubt it has crossed anyone's mind in the Kings organization) is moot. The discussion is like Richards does not contribute to the team, and that we are a struggling, desperate, losing team. You don't break up a winner on what MIGHT happen in the future. We wouldn't even be playing right now if Richards did not win the puck battle in game 1 and pass to Gaborik to score with seconds remaining in the Ducks series. Ducks win that game, series done in six. We lost. No Chicago series. No battle for the cup against the Rangers.

Of course it's Richards who picks off the pass and passes to Williams for the game winner last night. The one thing Dean looks for in the intangibles is W-I-N-N-E-R.

Richards has won at every level, and there are probably less the a few players in the NHL right now, if any, who have ALL of the following on their resume.

Memorial Cup Champion 2003 (Juniors)
Calder Cup Champion 2005 (AHL)
World Junior Gold Medal 2005
Olympic Gold Medal 2010
Stanley Cup 2012 and ???


The discussion is like he has the worst contract on the team. That in-fact, based on overall contribution, is arguably Dustin Brown. Richards this past season 41 points, playing a good 25-30% of the time on a line with two wingers that have the worst hands on the team. Brown spent the majority of his time playing with Kopitar, yet had a grand total of 29 points. His extension kicks in next year, has a higher cap hit than Richards, is two year longer than Richards (until 2022), yet he is the same age as Richards and is producing less.

And if you want to play the speculation game, what happens if Kopitar or Carter goes down (Carter has an annual foot injury). Richards is there to plug in at #2, or if Carters wingers are hurt, Richards can plug in at C and Carter can move to wing. He gives us that insurance blanket, the depth required to slug through the long schedule.

My point is this is talk about buy-outs is all ridiculous and is not going to happen.
 
I still firmly believe Richards is playing through an injury/illness that has greatly affected his conditioning.

He seems to take shorter shifts than almost any other forward on the team, as he tires quickly and does not play as physical as we have been accustomed to seeing. He just looks gased sometimes like he has to be pacing himself out there to get through a full game.

I would give Richards the offseason to rest up, recover, and get back in top shape and I think you'll see a different player next that is closer to the Mike Richards we saw when he first got to LA.

Now is not the time to trade him. His value is probably at an all-time low, and his intangibles and chemistry make him an important factor on this team.
 
A player doesn't cool off that badly within a season without something going on. He was doing fine through October, November and part of December. He said he had a respiratory infection in December and in an article a couple of weeks ago he said his confidence had been affected when he wasn't producing. The mental part of the game may be his only problem right now, who knows. We will find out once the season ends.
 
Since the Olympics 45GP 6G 8A -6. The only Kings forward with a worse+/-
is T. Lewis. Lewis is also the only forward to score less than Richards, Stoll
scored 14 points also. For Mike Richards cap hit of 5.75m you get Stoll, Lewis and
Clifford with 100k left over.
If Mike Richards is your 3rd or 4th line center you need to use the compliance
buyout or trade him. No team can afford 5.75 million for a 3rd or 4th line center.
The cap hit may not effect the Kings in 2015 but in 2016 they have UFA Stoll,
Williams and Martinez and RFA Clifford, Pearson, Toffoli, Nolan, Muzzin and Jones.
 
Sign Moller on a cheap showcase your talents contract. Run
Gaborik/Kopitar/Brown
Pearson/Carter/Toffoli
King/Stoll/Williams
Moller/Richards/Vey

Wear other teams down by applying constant offensive pressure. Teams will not be able to play their 4th lines as much leads to more tired top 3 lines. Like Sutter being forced to shorten the bench against Chicago because Kane was destroying Lewis.

Putting a play maker like Vey with Richards means we get to see that rocket because he isn't passing to Carter!

Also who really cares about the cap in 2 years. The Kings are 3 wins away from a cup. They have a chance to bring back pretty much the same team and make some improvements. Roll the dice on 2 more chances at deep playoff runs. Make trade when the cap forces it.

Edit: If you don't like Moller/Vey any cheap 1M players basically Pearson/Toffoli 2.0
 
That confuses me, do they expire every season if not used, and become available at a certain point next season?

Or is this a one time thing??
 
No matter what, paying 5.75M for a 4th line center for the next six years is not feasible. That's money you spend on a top d-man to play with Voynov, on Gaborik, on Kopitar's extension and so on. Yes I know Richards' ice time is higher than for typical fourth liners but I'd rather have one of our other centermen out there in just about any situation anyway.

That confuses me, do they expire every season if not used, and become available at a certain point next season?

Or is this a one time thing??

After the lockout every team was given two "free" buyouts that expire this summer.
 
No matter what, paying 5.75M for a 4th line center for the next six years is not feasible. That's money you spend on a top d-man to play with Voynov, on Gaborik, on Kopitar's extension and so on. Yes I know Richards' ice time is higher than for typical fourth liners but I'd rather have one of our other centermen out there in just about any situation anyway.



After the lockout every team was given two "free" buyouts that expire this summer.

Wow. I guess the chances of Richards getting bought out is much higher?

It's illegal to buy him out and then resign him right?
 
Wow. I guess the chances of Richards getting bought out is much higher?

It's illegal to buy him out and then resign him right?

Yeah there's some CBA clause that prevents that from happening, otherwise we would probably have seen it with the Lecavalier buyout for example.

And for the record, I personally feel like there likely still is a trade market for Richards out there. It might not be great but he's got a big reputation and some desperate team will gamble that he just had an off year. So I doubt we'll see a buyout.
 
Yeah there's some CBA clause that prevents that from happening, otherwise we would probably have seen it with the Lecavalier buyout for example.

And for the record, I personally feel like there likely still is a trade market for Richards out there. It might not be great but he's got a big reputation and some desperate team will gamble that he just had an off year. So I doubt we'll see a buyout.

I think it's trade too, there is a market for him. I just don't know which team will willingly take on his contract though. It's insanely long.
 
When/if the NHL expands, might the Kings expose Richie to the expansion draft? Maybe he'd have 2-3 yrs left on his contract and the new Quebec/Seattle/wherever team would like an experienced multiple Cup winner on their roster to mentor their younger players?
Just a thought.
 
I think it's trade too, there is a market for him. I just don't know which team will willingly take on his contract though. It's insanely long.

This is the dilemma. If you buy him out under the compliance buy-out rule, then Richards becomes a free agent and can sign with any team, except the Kings. Can you imagine him playing as the 2C or 3C with the Blackhawks? Will the Kings take a chance on that happening? On the other hand, if you can find a suitor with a deal to offer, do you trade him to a western team, basically all of which are pretty tough to play against? My thinking is, if anything happens at all, MR may get traded to an eastern club (if LA can find one to deal with), likely not Philadelphia, although anything is possible.
 
I still don't get the getting rid of MR talk. The guy has a solid first half, 27 points in his first 32 games. His play drops off in the 2nd half (Injury? Fatigue? Who knows) and all of a sudden he's buyout material. Then again, the 'trade Kopitar' train was rolling after last year's playoffs.

He's made some really, really important plays in this run. Is he overpaid? Possibly, but that has more to do with shifts in the cap. Kopitar has been crapped on in the past year (6.8 for that playoff performance?), Brown obviously, and Richards. 3 guys who are a big reason this team is 9-1 in their last 10 series. Do any of you really think that all 3 of these guys couldn't shirk their other responsibilities and put up big numbers? There is a reason that media questions about individual performance are treated like someone infected with ebola. These guys genuinely could care less about that, and we as fans are reaping the benefits.
 

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