Will Jonathan Quick make the HHOF?

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Will Jonathan Quick make the HOF?

  • Yes

    Votes: 73 90.1%
  • No

    Votes: 6 7.4%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 2 2.5%

  • Total voters
    81
If Quick has the lower SV% but lower GAA, that doesn’t exactly suggest the other guy played on a much better team….sort of says the exact opposite. I know this isn’t exact proof or anything, but it certainly doesn’t support a view you are suggesting.
The SV% is pretty negligible (.001 difference). But Quick maintaining that SV% with a lower GAA over 7 more games is impressive. The fact that Hank had more wins in fewer games (with a higher GAA) is proof of his team being better.
I agree that Hank’s wins are affected by team but by the same token, so is Quick’s GAA, which was just as negligible as their SV% (0.02 better). So I’m still confused how Quick was robbed. Different sites have either ahead in terms of goals saved above expected. It was really a pick-em. Hell, Mike Smith had a good case as well. It was a tough year to have your best year as a goalie.
See my point above regarding their stats. I just don't see what Hank had over Quick that negates the games played, GAA, and difference in team strength. A .001 SV% doesn't do it.

The reality is the voters gave it to Hank for two reasons: A "lifetime achievement" Vezina since he had been more consistent in prior years, and an east coast media bias which very much exists when the majority of Quick's games were on past the voters bedtime.
The thing is that I didn't even need to look it was a big no for me.

How many all star selections does he have as the top goalies in the league?

These are his finishes.

2,3,5,5,

Is that a HHOF resume?

I guess people will say wins but that's just staying power and there are two guys in Winnipeg and tB with elss wins that will be HHOFers and MAF and BOB as well it seems.

How many HHOF goalies can there be playing at the same time?

I'm not a goalie guy but he seems like a longshot.
Do all-star finishes really matter all that much? Especially for a guy with the cups and a playoff MVP?
I'm guessing his case was made easier by the induction of Mike Vernon.

HHOF seems to be less stringent on goalies these days.
My first thought was Barrasso. Two cups, a Vezina and a Jennings. Quick has two cups as a starter (a third as a backup), 2 Jennings, and a Conn Smythe that should negate the lack of a Vezina. Pretty much identical resumes.

Vernon's resume seems weaker than Quick's. He has 1 Jennings where Osgood played more games, 2 cups as a starter but in his Conn Smythe year Osgood also played more games in the regular season. I'm not sure if that was due to injury or rest but he was obviously fresher for that playoff run than Quick was in 2012.

Funny enough, it looks like all 3 have a similar number of seasons where they played 50% (or more) of the games in a given season. Barrasso (13), Quick (12), Vernon (12).
 
My first thought was Barrasso. Two cups, a Vezina and a Jennings. Quick has two cups as a starter (a third as a backup), 2 Jennings, and a Conn Smythe that should negate the lack of a Vezina. Pretty much identical resumes.

Vernon's resume seems weaker than Quick's. He has 1 Jennings where Osgood played more games, 2 cups as a starter but in his Conn Smythe year Osgood also played more games in the regular season. I'm not sure if that was due to injury or rest but he was obviously fresher for that playoff run than Quick was in 2012.

Funny enough, it looks like all 3 have a similar number of seasons where they played 50% (or more) of the games in a given season. Barrasso (13), Quick (12), Vernon (12).

Quick and Vernon actually have the same number of top 10 Vezina finishes (five each).

Also Quick may have been "backup" but he didn't play at all that year and was only so because Brossoit got hurt. So it's not like he contributed at all.

Vernon is the best comparable. Barrasso has an additional four Vezina nominations along with the year he won.
 
The SV% is pretty negligible (.001 difference). But Quick maintaining that SV% with a lower GAA over 7 more games is impressive. The fact that Hank had more wins in fewer games (with a higher GAA) is proof of his team being better.
Yes, team better overall….meaning offensively, but not defensively.
 
Quick and Vernon actually have the same number of top 10 Vezina finishes (five each).

Also Quick may have been "backup" but he didn't play at all that year and was only so because Brossoit got hurt. So it's not like he contributed at all.

Vernon is the best comparable. Barrasso has an additional four Vezina nominations along with the year he won.
Not that it really matters, but I believe Quick was actually the backup for most of the playoff games. I don't think Hill started dressing much before he went in for Brossoit, who was about to lose the net even without an injury. I'm pretty sure Quick was the backup for most of the Jets series. Again, it doesn't matter but it's mildly interesting.

I'd take Quick's career over Vernon and Barrasso, but regardless both are in the HOF and Quick surely will too.
 
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Gross, that opens the door for other goalies carried by their teams, like Crawford and Niemi
Has one of the top playoff win% along with a career sub 2.5 GAA in a high scoring era. Along with 3 Cups.

Mike Vernon just got in with much worse stats and one less Cup
 
You know how they say "there's no such thing as a dumb question?"

Sorry, OP.

As for the other thing that broke out, I'm begging you guys to use GSAx. There's no reason to be illogical in the presence of two Rangers legends.
 
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You know how they say "there's no such thing as a dumb question?"

Sorry, OP.

As for the other thing that broke out, I'm begging you guys to use GSAx. There's no reason to be illogical in the presence of two Rangers legends.

They’re the best we have but there’s still a lot of noise with those stats imo, and can be wildly different depending on the source. For instance, Quick is ahead 31.8 to 25.8 according to Moneypuck and Lundqvist is ahead 36.0 to 29.4 according to NaturalStatTrick. Then Evolving Hockey had Lundqvist way ahead at 43.55 to 30.14.
 
They’re the best we have but there’s still a lot of noise with those stats imo, and can be wildly different depending on the source. For instance, Quick is ahead 31.8 to 25.8 according to Moneypuck and Lundqvist is ahead 36.0 to 29.4 according to NaturalStatTrick. Then Evolving Hockey had Lundqvist way ahead at 43.55 to 30.14.
In that case let's just go with "the Kings won the Stanley f***ing Cup!"

And then they won another one.

What are we doing here with who had the better team?
 
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Weird coding for them not to round up...or is the input manual and user error?

I highly doubt it's anything manual. I'm guessing the code does the math and just displays the first 3 digits after the decimal, rather than doing the math, doing a check on the 4th digit after the decimal, adjusting the 3rd digit if rounding up is warranted, and then displaying the answer. Why write more code when being lazy sort of works?


On topic, Quick should get in without much question.
 
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Somehow it turned into Lundqvist vs Quick in 2012 and people are arguing that Lundqvist won because he was on the better team.

This is the year the Kings won a Stanley Cup.

The Rangers had a much more consistent regular season and finished with the #1 seed in the east, then made it to the conference finals, compared to the Kings who were more up and down until having an excellent month of March, then getting into the playoffs as the #8 seed before going on a run largely on the back of Quick playing like a brick wall out there. Just pointing that part out of it I guess, though I would assume you knew all of that already.

On a tangent related to the Kings' 11-12 season, I happened to notice their draft selections at the 2011 draft when looking their season up (mostly to see their game-by-game results). In the 7th round, they drafted... Michael Schumacher.
 

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