The SV% is pretty negligible (.001 difference). But Quick maintaining that SV% with a lower GAA over 7 more games is impressive. The fact that Hank had more wins in fewer games (with a higher GAA) is proof of his team being better.If Quick has the lower SV% but lower GAA, that doesn’t exactly suggest the other guy played on a much better team….sort of says the exact opposite. I know this isn’t exact proof or anything, but it certainly doesn’t support a view you are suggesting.
See my point above regarding their stats. I just don't see what Hank had over Quick that negates the games played, GAA, and difference in team strength. A .001 SV% doesn't do it.I agree that Hank’s wins are affected by team but by the same token, so is Quick’s GAA, which was just as negligible as their SV% (0.02 better). So I’m still confused how Quick was robbed. Different sites have either ahead in terms of goals saved above expected. It was really a pick-em. Hell, Mike Smith had a good case as well. It was a tough year to have your best year as a goalie.
The reality is the voters gave it to Hank for two reasons: A "lifetime achievement" Vezina since he had been more consistent in prior years, and an east coast media bias which very much exists when the majority of Quick's games were on past the voters bedtime.
Do all-star finishes really matter all that much? Especially for a guy with the cups and a playoff MVP?The thing is that I didn't even need to look it was a big no for me.
How many all star selections does he have as the top goalies in the league?
These are his finishes.
2,3,5,5,
Is that a HHOF resume?
I guess people will say wins but that's just staying power and there are two guys in Winnipeg and tB with elss wins that will be HHOFers and MAF and BOB as well it seems.
How many HHOF goalies can there be playing at the same time?
I'm not a goalie guy but he seems like a longshot.
My first thought was Barrasso. Two cups, a Vezina and a Jennings. Quick has two cups as a starter (a third as a backup), 2 Jennings, and a Conn Smythe that should negate the lack of a Vezina. Pretty much identical resumes.I'm guessing his case was made easier by the induction of Mike Vernon.
HHOF seems to be less stringent on goalies these days.
Vernon's resume seems weaker than Quick's. He has 1 Jennings where Osgood played more games, 2 cups as a starter but in his Conn Smythe year Osgood also played more games in the regular season. I'm not sure if that was due to injury or rest but he was obviously fresher for that playoff run than Quick was in 2012.
Funny enough, it looks like all 3 have a similar number of seasons where they played 50% (or more) of the games in a given season. Barrasso (13), Quick (12), Vernon (12).