Player Discussion Will Borgen

[Vitto79]

What I do know is I like Fox, Schneider , Borgen on RD. Feels solid

Switch Lindgren with a new face
Miller improved
Urho keeps it up
Vito can play both sides

Got some potential by adding 3 new faces and getting bigger on D

 

[bhamill]

Whoa. The negative overreaction/Drury bashing is a total surprise and a nice refreshing change. /sarcasm

Borgen brings a lot of what we’ve needed here, helping both Miller’s and Igor’s games in the process. 4.1 is a reasonable AAV NOW, and will be a borgain in two seasons. Also, he will be very moveable after next season should we choose, as Schneider comes into his own and as Fortescue and Emery arrive.
This is a very good signing.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Miller was always gonna be in the 6 range as much as people overreact to his play sometimes

Id trade him for a 7th round pick before signing him to a long term deal at 6mm aav or higher

 

[duhmetreE]

It's not terrible. I think we could have gotten him high 3's but it is what it is. His contract is moveable if need be in a few years

 

[NYR Viper]

It's not terrible. I think we could have gotten him high 3's but it is what it is. His contract is moveable if need be in a few years

I thought t the same until the news of a $97m cap came out. $4m seems fine, and almost all UFA’s get trade protection. I’d pay him and extra $200k a year for the trade protection as it’s laid out. That’s valuable

 

[Larrybiv]

Seems like a huge commitment based on a small sample size. Hopefully not another Drury special.

It is, it's a gamble. Paying a "low" price for someone that "could" be higher in years to come? Are we that desperate for what appears to be a sizeable upgrade over Trouba?
Seems too soon, but would his contract offer been higher if he continues like this and well into the PO's? Therein lies the question.

 

[duhmetreE]

I thought t the same until the news of a $97m cap came out. $4m seems fine, and almost all UFA’s get trade protection. I’d pay him and extra $200k a year for the trade protection as it’s laid out. That’s valuable

I’m under the assumption it will be 97M with his extension. 4.25%. I don’t know his comps but that’s good for a top 4 guy that helped stabilize the team and KAM

 

[NYR Viper]

I’m under the assumption it will be 97M with his extension. 4.25%. I don’t know his comps but that’s good for a top 4 guy that helped stabilize the team and KAM

It’s fairly close to Klein when he was acquired and Klein was a 4/5 physical RD.

 

[Larrybiv]

What about Schneider long term? I hate this move.

I don't HATE the move, but Schneider's time is coming and one would have thought "should have been" more of a priority to get done first. Now Schneider's agent could possibly use Borgen's contract as leverage, while stating that Brian was drafted by us, AND has played multiple seasons already for this team. Now, pay me.

 

[bhamill]

Heard the same thing about Goodrow and Nemeth.

I'm by no means up in arms about this, but it's absolutely a significant commitment based on a small sample size.

Goodrow was easy to move.

 

[Larrybiv]

Traded to Vancouver for Petterson

No, now they're set with Schneider and Borgen and are going to trade HIGH on Fox, with all those years on his contract. Surely I jest, but you never know with Drury. Right? I am the king of sarcasm, and Drury is the king of stupidity.

 

[nyr2k2]

I call that a Borgen, the best I ever had

If we're doing that lol

 

[gump116]

I’m under the assumption it will be 97M with his extension. 4.25%. I don’t know his comps but that’s good for a top 4 guy that helped stabilize the team and KAM

With the higher cap, it’s not just that cap percentage goes down, it also means every team will have a lot more cap space than expected. UFA’s are going to get crazy contracts this summer with the extra space. Wouldn’t be surprised if there are actually offer sheets with gms having more cap space than players to use it on.

 

[Fitzy]

Borgen has been a decent surprise but I am not feeling this contract at all. I am surprised Drury didn't offer him a NMC. Never change, Rangers. 5 years for a bottom pair defenseman who likely won't be in the NHL when this deal expires.

I’m not happy about the deal but to suggest Borgen won’t be in the NHL at 33 is a radical take.

Everyone was pissed when Nemeth was making 2.5 on the bottom pairing just a few years back. Borgen does actually need to be consistently competent over the course of the deal for this contract to make sense. Let’s hope he does that

 

[Vitto79]

I don't HATE the move, but Schneider's time is coming and one would have thought "should have been" more of a priority to get done first. Now Schneider's agent could possibly use Borgen's contract as leverage, while stating that Brian was drafted by us, AND has played multiple seasons already for this team. Now, pay me.

He’s got 1 year left on his deal just extend him next year as an RFA

Miller probably getting another bridge deal unless he has a great 2nd half

Borgen was ufa and I agree 5 yrs is too much but the cap hits about right

 

[Jack Hanson]

Its all pieces of a puzzle. There's synergy with Rempe protecting our high dollar elite goalie but theres also synergy with Borgen protecting Igor from relentless pounding of unchecked opponent's offense. Thats basically what was happening with our old defense. Theres synergy with Borgen and Miller allowing Miller to do better (whats that alone worth)? Theres synergy with Borgen clearing the puck and passing to our offense too. Allowing us to score. He's a big piece of the puzzle in our new found success. 4.1 for him admittedly is a big raise over his prior contract but prices are going up. He's what we need right now and it was good to lock him down. I guarantee if we didn't make a deal with him when he hits free agency he'd be scooped up for similar dollars by someone else. Its smart business.

 

[McRanger92]

Our boy with the new 20million dollar contract getting assigned MacKinnon at an MSG Sunday matinee. Im sure that beats getting demoted in Seattle

 

[GAGLine]

i agree with loki, vaak/ruhwedel should be 7/8 on a contending team.

The hole at LD is ever widening. Some posters here are talking about trading Miller!?

I don't think you could make up a move that guarantees Miller will be signed long term more than locking up Borgen for 5 years after they play together for 3 weeks.

I wouldn't assume that Drury is done tinkering with the defense. Keep in mind also that 2 years ago, K'Andre put up 43 points and we were all extremely stoked about his future. He has been better of late. If he can find his way back to being that guy we saw 2 years ago, the defense as a whole will look very different.

That’s 9 contracts on 18 million (known number) or Friedman’s speculation of 21M to 23M.
Either way offer sheets could be incoming.
Just ask Edmonton.

No one is offer-sheeting a Rangers player. Other GMs don't want to risk souring that relationship.

The only players who sign offer sheets are non-arbitration eligible RFAs like Broberg and Holloway. The only player we'd have to worry about then is Cuylle, unless you think someone is going to throw money at Rempe or Garand.

Drury has shown the ability to get contracts done early. He got Laf, Shesty and now Borgen all done well before free agency. He could sign Cuylle before July 1st, making it a complete non-starter.

Every year, people panic about offer sheets. Kakko, Laf, whoever. They never happen. They won't happen. No GM is that stupid.

Drury once again bidding against himself. This time on a player that has had a good two week run. Not the sample size you should be basing decisions on for a billion dollar corporation.

The sample size is much larger than Borgen's time with the Rangers. He played 233 games with Seattle before we traded for him. Those games count.

Borgen is making 2.9 mil in actual salary this year. 4.1 mil isn't much of a leap. You're nuts if you think there wasn't another team out there willing to give him that. Lindgren is making 4.5 mil this year. Which player would you rather have long term?

I don't HATE the move, but Schneider's time is coming and one would have thought "should have been" more of a priority to get done first. Now Schneider's agent could possibly use Borgen's contract as leverage, while stating that Brian was drafted by us, AND has played multiple seasons already for this team. Now, pay me.

Schneider has 1 year left on his current contract, and he will be an arbitration-eligible RFA. Borgen was a pending UFA. One contract has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

 

[Gardner McKay]

As much as I hated this trade... Borgen has been good.

And if people knew some of the behind the scene stuff with Kakko, they would understand he was likely never going to flourish here in NY.

The only regret I have is not trading him after his 18 goal 40 point season when his value was higher.

A bit more than I'd have liked to pay and a year too long but I guess you need to get some stability.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

I don't hate this at all. Big, tough and can skate.

Don't F this up and get rid of Lindgren. Coming back around on Miller, which makes him so frustrating. Structured play seems to suit him best.

 

[Alluckks]

Wanna see long term on Cuylle. He has 4 years left of RFA. 6 year deal to buy out 2 of those UFA years? Brings him to UFA going into his age 29 season. What is fair? 6.5?

Bridge for K'andre. Such an enigma. Think I would still prefer to see him moved for a similar talented young forward in the offseason.

 

[noncents]

Id trade him for a 7th round pick before signing him to a long term deal at 6mm aav or higher

you're not gonna like this next part

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Considering Lindgren would be 5.5 + and if not the Trouba trade, 8.0 this is a steal. Think of it like that and it’s not an issue. Now to resign Urho to a 5 year 3.0 contract for 5 years and trade Lindgren and Jones

"just do mental gymnastics and it doesn't seem all that bad!"

Why was Drury in such a rush to make this deal? Its not like Borgen has been so amazing for us. He's had a couple good games and several really bad ones. Why not wait to see how he plays for the rest of the season? Or maybe even in the playoffs before making such a commitment?

It's because Drury was taking heat over Kakko. Simple as that. Dude is an idiot.

 

[Mac n Gs]

As much as I hated this trade... Borgen has been good.

And if people knew some of the behind the scene stuff with Kakko, they would understand he was likely never going to flourish here in NY.

The only regret I have is not trading him after his 18 goal 40 point season when his value was higher.

A bit more than I'd have liked to pay and a year too long but I guess you need to get some stability.

What behind the scenes stuff?

 

[noncents]

the deal in a vacuum is fine - as long as everyone acknowledges that based on all the data we have about NHL defensemen aging curves, we will likely not see a player better than these last 17 games. This is who he is - we're paying him to be this.

And that's the slightly disappointing trend with our signings. We talk about risk, where is the risk betting on upside, rather than the risk that this guy doesn't immediately fall off a cliff?

Kaliyev is a great example. More of that, please.


Miller - 5x6.2mm
Cuylle - 3x3.75mm
Edstrom - 2x2.4mm