If Makar and Hughes, two of the great offensive D men can’t do it then I don’t think any of the current crop has a chance. Maybe at some point in the future but it’s hard to see.
Will a defenseman ever win the Art Ross again?
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Some Other Flame
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Landon DuPont might just do it one day
He's 15 and currently has 16 points in 12 games with the Everett Silvertips; pacing 90 points over a full season.
For comparisons sake, McDavid as a 15 year old with the Erie Otters had 66 points in 63 games.
He's 15 and currently has 16 points in 12 games with the Everett Silvertips; pacing 90 points over a full season.
For comparisons sake, McDavid as a 15 year old with the Erie Otters had 66 points in 63 games.
jigglysquishy
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This is a good point.
The player that will do it will be known as a potential generational player at 15, will be a consensus #1 overall draft pick, and be a superstar year one. This pedigree with force his NHL coach to let him play a wide open style.
DuPont is the best example of this potential in the last 40 years. We will see if he turns out.
Maybe Pavel Mintyukov?
In a few years when all those young forwards come into their prime there could be a lot of assists to pick up to go along with his own offensive.
In a few years when all those young forwards come into their prime there could be a lot of assists to pick up to go along with his own offensive.
It would take an oddly specific series of events to happen, like the top 5 scoring forwards all missing time and the top scoring defenseman to play all 82, while also having a career year. Very unlikely.
Score08
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This just amplifies how good Orr was. Even today with all the advantages players have no one is coming close to sniffing this record.
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Can't find odds for any defenseman, but Makar is +1600 and Q Hughes is +4500.
JFedol
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Orr just like the rest of the big 4 was a once in a lifetime player whose dominance we'll probably never see again. I might take another 100 years for Orr's dominance to be reached by a defenseman again.
Fatass
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Orr was the greatest player ever. He not only was the best offensive player, he was also the defensive player too. The guy could do it all. Makar has great offensive instincts but lacks defensive awareness. He’s kind of half an Orr.
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This myth needs to die. He plays the most PK minutes among the Avs dmen for a reason. Makar isn't Erik Karlsson.
I think Makar is capable of a 110ish point season, which could probably win the Art Ross these days in a weaker season. Like say Benn’s Art Ross but in today’s game. We already saw Karlsson only 4 points away from 2nd place in 2016. Kane won it by a big margin but if he was injured, it could have made things close. It’s one of those things though where the talent is so strong right now I think it’s unlikely we see a weak Art Ross.
Bounces R Way
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Just because it's unlikely does not at all mean it's impossible. Offense from the blueline has been vital for a while now and there have been dmen close in recent years. Some very very talented defenseman in the league right now. Sounds crazy but I still believe Makar has another gear.
All it would take is a week to week injury to a cpl fwds or an especially hot on ice shooting month.
All it would take is a week to week injury to a cpl fwds or an especially hot on ice shooting month.
Juicy Pop
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The thing is, dominance is also relative to the competition. You can certainly have a player that say, scores more than Gretzky, but relative to his competition at that time he may not be more comparatively dominant over the next in line.
I really don't think that anyone can ever match the raw skill gap that those players had on their respective eras.
I think the sarcasm angle would have been better and I like the player but he is never winning the Art Ross and frankly might never be top 10 in dman scoring in any season either.
Dion TheFluff
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Landon Dupont may be able to develop into that guy eventually. Currently has 16 points in 13 games in his 15 year old season the WHL right now
tarheelhockey
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It wasn’t that long ago that people in this forum seriously believed that we would never see another 90 point season by a defenseman, that the game was simply “too competitive” for anyone to be more than a point/game scorer in this league. Karlsson blew the doors off that myth and now we’ve seen Josi, Hughes, Makar pile on.
Is it possible for a defenseman to win the Ross? Of course. We’ve seen it happen already twice. It would take the right player in the right circumstances, but ”ever” is plenty of time for that to happen.
Is it possible for a defenseman to win the Ross? Of course. We’ve seen it happen already twice. It would take the right player in the right circumstances, but ”ever” is plenty of time for that to happen.
