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AHL: Wilkes Barre Scranton Penguins 24 25 the Players Sully Hates

am i missing something or was conor sheary not a very useful cheap bottom 6er for a brief period before the coaching staff fell in love with him
 
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cookthebooks said:
am i missing something or was conor sheary not a very useful cheap bottom 6er for a brief period before the coaching staff fell in love with him
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Sheary was pretty good with Crosby and Guentzel and a useful regular season player in general but apart from a couple big goals he was also consistently bad in the playoffs. I liked him though. As far as undrafted players the Pens signed he was by far the best.
 
Darren McCord said:
mmm ok then dont get why you say I am stat watching then.
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I watch several WBS games a year. Avery Hayes reminds me of an AHL lifer.

Sheary had a ton of skill. I don't see a comparable. Sheary also was more of an effective player in the NCAA than Hayes was in the OHL and I'm much more inclined to believe a players stat line in college hockey versus the CHL.
 
Gurglesons said:
I watch several WBS games a year. Avery Hayes reminds me of an AHL lifer.

Sheary had a ton of skill. I don't see a comparable. Sheary also was more of an effective player in the NCAA than Hayes was in the OHL and I'm much more inclined to believe a players stat line in college hockey versus the CHL.
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Fair enough. I've watched a few games recently. I don't expect Hayes to be some great NHL player but he seems better suited for the bottom 6 than sheary was if he can make it.

Hayes started the season as a 21 year old and is putting together a really good year. It is nice to see young players progress for once instead of watching them be ruined by sully.

Hayes also stood out before the season at the prospect camp too.
 
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Darren McCord said:
Fair enough. I've watched a few games recently. I don't expect Hayes to be some great NHL player but he seems better suited for the bottom 6 than sheary was if he can make it.

Hayes started the season as a 21 year old and is putting together a really good year. It is nice to see young players progress for once instead of watching them be ruined by sully.

Hayes also stood out before the season at the prospect camp too.
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I just don't see anything beyond an AHLer in his game. I think people are too focused on thinking every player in WBS has potential.
 
Gurglesons said:
I just don't see anything beyond an AHLer in his game. I think people are too focused on thinking every player in WBS has potential.
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Unfortunately your opinion is adopted by too many decision makers within professional hockey... Where I differ is understanding that certain players elevate their game with better teammates. This is true in all sports, but I think hockey is where it is the most relevant.
 
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Coastal Kev said:
Unfortunately your opinion is adopted by too many decision makers within professional hockey... Where I differ is understanding that certain players elevate their game with better teammates. This is true in all sports, but I think hockey is where it is the most relevant.
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I mean, I'm perfectly fine with playing Hayes above Acciari, K. Hayes and whoever else Sullivan has a hard on for in the NHL.

I just don't think there is much there.
 
Hayes probably has a ceiling as a third liner with some skill who can also PK. I don't think he's a top six player, but he has speed, physicality (for his size), and confidence with the puck. Not many guys have the stones and the skill to pull off the breakaway goal he scored recently, even at the AHL level.
 
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I just don't see anything beyond an AHLer in his game. I think people are too focused on thinking every player in WBS has potential.
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I mean it’s fair but can you blame people before this year when is the last time this team had a 22 or 21 yr old hit 20 goals lol
 
Hayes’ OHL production is pretty impressive to me. Back to back 40+ goal seasons and in 2 Championship runs combined he had 26 goals in 38 games. Now, one of those years was his overage season but he’s a late-ish birthday plus lost the entire 20-21 season due to COVID. That was also his draft year so he maybe just kinda slipped through the cracks, as Sheary did for different reasons.

You never know.. he’s probably more of an AHL/NHL tweener but there may be more there.

These guys are all lottery tickets so you gotta just collect as many as possible.
 
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Darren McCord said:
Hayes is having pretty much identical numbers as sheary's 22 year old year. Sheary may have been a little more offensively dynamic but Hayes is a better two-way player.
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I don’t get to watch AHL games, does Hayes fall down every time someone close to him farts? If not, he’s better that Shari
 
Dubas is throwing darts here with players in the need to have as many options. But can't continue to add smaller players who lack the size and strength to hang. I like Hayes in a roster that is fine with a smaller center. But have to end the adds of players who have skill but are all lacking size. Ok with Hayes for example as his skills are really good. But draft and trades have to bring in more size with skill than some of the moves.
 
Jacob said:
Hayes’ OHL production is pretty impressive to me. Back to back 40+ goal seasons and in 2 Championship runs combined he had 26 goals in 38 games. Now, one of those years was his overage season but he’s a late-ish birthday plus lost the entire 20-21 season due to COVID. That was also his draft year so he maybe just kinda slipped through the cracks, as Sheary did for different reasons.

You never know.. he’s probably more of an AHL/NHL tweener but there may be more there.

These guys are all lottery tickets so you gotta just collect as many as possible.
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Yeah.. idk what the point of pontificating and predicting is. Earned a ELC. We will find out what he is.
 
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