Why Russia can not win the all-star tournament in 1981?

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I'm assuming you mean since 1981. USSR easily could have won in 1984 or 1987. They didn't send their best in 1991 (though that was a weak period for them) and the same can be said for 1996. Russia was very close in 1998, and may well have won had Fedorov been in proper playing shape and Mogilny/Khabibulin/Kozlov/Malakhov all played. 2002 was kind of between generations for Russia, and since then the defencemen haven't been good enough to compete with top countries.
 
True, Russia hasn't won a best-on-best since 1981, but...

In 1984 had an amazing team (even missing Drozdetski and Fetisov), losing in OT to Canada in the semis.

In 1987 they again lost a close one to Canada, in the final this time, in one of the greatest series ever played.

In 1991 the team was riddled with defections, refusals and omissions, so was at a clear disadvantage (a roster even more depleted than 1976), and the result was what you'd expect.

1996 saw the Russians struggling to get back on their feet after the collapse of the Soviet system and there was apparently all sorts of trouble in the ranks. Badly outplayed twice by the USA.

The first NHL Olympics in 1998 saw lots of internal problems with Russian hockey and a ton of refusals. Even so, Russia made the final and lost 1-0 to Hasek and the Czechs. Impressive performance.

2002 saw Russia starting to get back on its feet, with a more complete roster (minus Mogilny, Zhitnik and Zubov), losing in the semis.

At the 2004 World Cup, again a ton of refusals and a weak performance.

Then from 2006-2014 we finally saw Russia bring its best rosters - which were great offensive teams that lacked quality defence and cohesion, thus no medals.

So Russia could have a far better record than they do (they could easily have won in 1984, 1987 and 1998 with a little luck, and had far better available talent than what was on-show in 1998 and 2004) but there's no denying that the national team currently has some issues that need correcting, especially on the blue line.
 
Russia was competitive for a few years as fueled by the remnants of the Soviet years, with Bure, Fedorov, Mogilny and so on. After the 2002 Olympics, the dramatic fall-off in talent and depth became obvious. It has never recovered. In international tournaments, team unity and motivation are weaknesses of the team.
 
We beat Canada in 2006 which is medal worthy. :sarcasm:

But it's not a very fair question as the last 4 Olympics were won by 2 countries so it's not just Russia that didn't win but many others too
 
Not good enough Defense to overcome a small sample size. I'm sure if there were a "best on best" (whatever that means, but I get the general idea) tournament every year, Russia would win it every so often.
 
It is surprising, such a strong hockey nation, think they'd have more recent success than what they've had.
 
Remember in 1987 Russia totally outplayed Canada 5 on 5 and Canada only won through officiating.

Yeah, by the way, the refs in the games between USSR and Canada in the final games were Canadian. That is just hilarious. Plus, Canada had home advantage as well.
 
2014 was a transition Olympics, everything went wrong unfortunately, but Russia will be an absolute force in 2018 in my opinion, but 2010 that was suppose to their year, it's a real shame for them that they had to play a peaking Canadian team in the quarters instead of in the dream final.

Here's hoping 2018 Olympics the World of Hockey gets the final everyone's been waiting for.

Might be the last time we have a near peak level Ovechkin/Crosby/Malkin go against each other at the highest level with young blossoming McDavid now in the mix to add to the theatrics.
 
There is some modest sign of improvement in the last decade. Russia failed to win a World Championship from 1993 to 2008, but since then, has won Gold at 4 of the last 8. In this Decade (2011-2020), Russia has so far had the best record in the World Junior Championships, with 1 Gold, 3 Silver, and 2 Bronze. If success at the U20 Championships is a measurement of potential future success, then they may be expected to have better results in future World Championships and Olympics. Hockey has developed enough so that there is no chance that Russia will ever put a national team on the ice as bad as the 2006 Olympic team.
 
Russia forwads line looks very good!

Ovechkin-Kuznetzov-Tarasenko
Mozyakin-Malkin-Kucherov
Radulov-Anisimov-Panarin
Kovalchuk-Datzuk-Namestnikov

13 - Shipachev or Nichuskin
 
Russia hasn't had an all star defenseman not named "Gonchar" and "Markov" since 2002.

Terrible coaching in the last three Olympics didn't help either.
 
Russia forwads line looks very good!

Ovechkin-Kuznetzov-Tarasenko
Mozyakin-Malkin-Kucherov
Radulov-Anisimov-Panarin
Kovalchuk-Datzuk-Namestnikov

13 - Shipachev or Nichuskin

I would put Namestnikov with Kucherov and keep Mozyakin away. I haven't followed Kovalchuk this year, how is he?

Ovy-Kuznetsov-Tarasenko
Radulov(?)-Anisimov-Panarin
Kovalchuk (?)-Datsyuk-Malkin
?-Namestnikov-Kucherov
 
There is some modest sign of improvement in the last decade. Russia failed to win a World Championship from 1993 to 2008, but since then, has won Gold at 4 of the last 8. In this Decade (2011-2020), Russia has so far had the best record in the World Junior Championships, with 1 Gold, 3 Silver, and 2 Bronze. If success at the U20 Championships is a measurement of potential future success, then they may be expected to have better results in future World Championships and Olympics. Hockey has developed enough so that there is no chance that Russia will ever put a national team on the ice as bad as the 2006 Olympic team.

Last two though were the result of having a huge roster advantage comapred to other teams/finalists. Last final they also had the reffing advantage.
 
I would put Namestnikov with Kucherov and keep Mozyakin away. I haven't followed Kovalchuk this year, how is he?

Ovy-Kuznetsov-Tarasenko
Radulov(?)-Anisimov-Panarin
Kovalchuk (?)-Datsyuk-Malkin
?-Namestnikov-Kucherov

Kovalchuk played pretty well!
Mozyakin best player in the KHL right now
 
Last two though were the result of having a huge roster advantage comapred to other teams/finalists. Last final they also had the reffing advantage.

What does that mean? I don't know how a "huge roster advantage" should be defined. And after you've explained that, also take us through a "huge reffing advantage." On the surface, that kind of sounds like sour grapes.
 
What does that mean? I don't know how a "huge roster advantage" should be defined. And after you've explained that, also take us through a "huge reffing advantage." On the surface, that kind of sounds like sour grapes.

The "roster advantage" is clearly that Russia gets a far higher percentage of its best players at the World Championship than other countries do basically every year. It's certainly not an unfair "advantage" though. I am interested in the "reffing advantage" because I haven't observed it.
 
The Soviets could have won in '84 and '87. I look at those Soviet teams as being as strong as the '81 team.

I don't think the Soviets sent their best players in '91 Canada Cup?
 
The "roster advantage" is clearly that Russia gets a far higher percentage of its best players at the World Championship than other countries do basically every year. It's certainly not an unfair "advantage" though. I am interested in the "reffing advantage" because I haven't observed it.

More than anything, I think that this is just Jussi fulfilling his perceived purpose in life of throwing rain on any positive pronouncements about Russia or Russian hockey. He is ubiquitous in patrolling Russian-oriented threads to make posts of the kind that you see above, so this is pretty ho-hum stuff that he always offers.

In terms of a "roster advantage," Russia clearly had one in the 2012 WC's, with a line of Datsyuk-Ovechkin-Semin, and Malkin on another line. And the 2014 team had Ovechkin and Malkin for the last 3 games, but it is only an advantage if the surrounding group is top-line as well. In 2015, you could say that Canada had a "roster advantage," because they had mostly national team candidates on the team, while Russia, with Malkin and Tarasenko (they had an exhausted Ovechkin for the last 2 games, just 30 hours after skating off the ice in Game 7 of a Stanley Cup semi-final), lost a total of 3 games. Having the offensive skills of Malkin and Ovechkin is of no value if they are playing defense in the defensive zone for 80% of the game. And how does that rebut my point that the performance of the Russians is far better now than in the 1990 and 2000 Decade?

I think I know what Jussi means about a "reffing advantage," and for once, I wholeheartedly agree. I think, despite his love of Finland and deep hatred of all things Russian, that he was deeply disturbed and disgusted by the "reffing advantage" that played out in Helsinki in the GMG of the WJC last week. Like all of us, I think Jussi hates the old NHL tactic of evening up the balance sheet of penalties at the end of the night. But like the rest of us, I think Jussi is very suspicious when penalty minutes total 40-4 in favor of one team, as it did last week in Helsinki, that the refs may have perceived a "good guy, bad guy" scenario when they crusade with their whistles to create an environment where goodness can triumph.

Jussi's sense of justice is offended when a referee only calls 1 foul against a team for the entire game (the other was a delay of game call for shooting the puck out of the rink), and that final penalty at the 8 minute mark of the 1st period, because he fears that it sends a message to the teams that "we're only going to call penalties against the good guys if there is an actual decapitation such as beheading with a stick, but we're going to send the bad guys to the box every time they lean on someone." He fears that that sends a message to the good guys that they can do whatever they want without fear of feeling short-handed, but if the bad guys fail to act meek and submissive, they will be flagrantly punished. Finally, I think there is something Jussi and I agree on!
 

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