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Why is the Sabres' attendance so low?

Which excuse? The historic snowstorms or the Canadian border being difficult to cross? I can see how those are both big problems for the sunbelt teams as well.

The thing that doesn’t help is that the border has to follow federal regulations. Even if Ontario is over shit it doesn’t mean the Canadian government is.
 
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Don't they traditionally draw a large portion of their ticket sales from the Canadian side of the border (hence why they always play the Canadian anthem at the start of games even when playing an American team)? Obviously with COVID closing borders, that blocked a lot of people - and I think the season ticket holders from there were hesitant to re-up their packages this season - I figure it takes 2 "normal" seasons to get back to the status quo and not be scared that some other variant is going to come out and shut everything again and make that money you invested in hockey games another loss.

about 20%of the fans are Canadian.

buffalo us the only place to alway do both. The Arena is the closet to Canadian. Less than a mile as bird flies.

many split season tickets so the STH data is incorrect on who the customers are.

it was a combination of things…

1 Canadian border closing and whrn opened it caused border crossing issues with proper documents thst wasn’t the same going each way.

2. When Covid hit stopping the season buffalo was in the playoff hunt at the deadline but the team went on a 6-7 game losing streak. Thry we’re just outside of the bubble playoffs

3.21 season is shortened and crowds limited. Canadians coukdnt cross. they also had vax requirements for those attending games which missed some fans off.

4. after the season they traded away Ristolainen, Reinhart, and the stuff with Eichel was brewing. This signaled rebuilding again which pissed many off.

5. This season….fall is always bern lower fans come out because msny buy tickets for bills games. After the bills are done, focus changes to the Sabres and more tickets sell. Buffalo in recent years have started well and thrn faltered…now it’s like the boy who cried wolf.


IIRC Buffalo is, population-wise, the smallest city in the NHL. If they’re not the smallest then they’re close to it.

The bills are taking away attention, plus weather has been brutal up there, economy isn’t great right now, and from what I’ve heard there’s a lot of Canadian transplants in upstate NY who already have a team to root for.

Add that stuff in to the team being pretty bad in recent history and it makes sense.

Most people who are going to games right now are probably pretty big fans. It takes more than half a season of decent production to turn the tide.

Pittsburgh is basically a case study in this. Popularity of the sport didn’t increase significantly until they had some sustained success and made it to the first SCF in 08. Small population cities will always struggle with attendance when the team isn’t doing well because they just don’t have enough population of people willing to go to games to see a bad team.

Hell, even in 2017 as reigning champs I was getting tickets to Penguins games for less than $20USD each. Small cities just dont have the population to be able to drive up demand enough.

you are wrong on many things here


buffalo population does NOT count the Canadian populationthst lives across the border. the population would raise considerably if you count everyone within 75 miles like many large markets get to do.

look at Seattle..it’s tv market is 75+ mile radius. LA too. Phoenix too. Dallas, bsy area. Buffalo is cut off because of Rochester

media markets know Buffalo is a top 10 US market because of the southern Ontario population.

most of the Canadians who live in buffalo are Sabres fans.even those just over the border.

buffalo also gets one of the top market share/ ratings in nhl playoffs.

the fans are upset because of a second rebuild after supporting the team thru the first one.
you saw a similar affect with the Bills where they changed coaches/ gm every few years.
 
Fans have just had their souls ripped out by so much losing between the Bills and Sabres. The Bills have made the playoffs for 5 years in a row but haven't advanced far and missed for 17 years prior to that. The Sabres hold by far the NHL's longest playoff drought streak at 11 or 12 years now in a league where half the teams make the playoffs. I hope some of the young talent will start bringing fans back.
 
you are wrong on many things here


buffalo population does NOT count the Canadian populationthst lives across the border. the population would raise considerably if you count everyone within 75 miles like many large markets get to do.

look at Seattle..it’s tv market is 75+ mile radius. LA too. Phoenix too. Dallas, bsy area. Buffalo is cut off because of Rochester

media markets know Buffalo is a top 10 US market because of the southern Ontario population.

most of the Canadians who live in buffalo are Sabres fans.even those just over the border.

buffalo also gets one of the top market share/ ratings in nhl playoffs.

the fans are upset because of a second rebuild after supporting the team thru the first one.
you saw a similar affect with the Bills where they changed coaches/ gm every few years.
It wouldn’t make much sense for a city to claim an entirely different country’s residents in their population… of course the population would raise considerably.

I don’t see the ‘many wrong things’ that I said that were refuted other than just pointing out that the surrounding areas of Buffalo has a higher population than it may seem on paper. I feel like you took my comment as a slight on Buffalo, which it wasn’t intended in any way.

You seem to be chalking up a lot of the problems to COVID, but it’s not exactly like they were booming before the Covid times. There’s a lot of variables that go into sports teams being successful, I don’t think it’s quite a stretch to say that another franchise in town having success pulls some level of interest away from the floundering team. As I said, I’ve seen that tide go up and down in my own hometown of Pittsburgh and I think the two cities are fairly similar.
 
It wouldn’t make much sense for a city to claim an entirely different country’s residents in their population… of course the population would raise considerably.

I don’t see the ‘many wrong things’ that I said that were refuted other than just pointing out that the surrounding areas of Buffalo has a higher population than it may seem on paper. I feel like you took my comment as a slight on Buffalo, which it wasn’t intended in any way.

You seem to be chalking up a lot of the problems to COVID, but it’s not exactly like they were booming before the Covid times. There’s a lot of variables that go into sports teams being successful, I don’t think it’s quite a stretch to say that another franchise in town having success pulls some level of interest away from the floundering team. As I said, I’ve seen that tide go up and down in my own hometown of Pittsburgh and I think the two cities are fairly similar.

i was born and raised in Buffalo. Still have family/ friends there.

when I was a teen crossing the border was nothing. You didn’t need a passport.

there was a high level of integration in friendships and relationships. I know people who married a Canadian or their siblings did. There are many who live on one side and work on the other side.

they had bad years but fans understood the tank was to get McDavid with Eichel being a back up option. Thst was successful.

the team made the other moves and they improved and seemed to be getting better then you had a GM change and the team got worse.

compare Detroit and buffalo. Detroit has a very small population from Canada in its market.

buffalo metro on US side is around 1.2M. This excludes the Rochester population of another 1M that other large cities include. Thrn on the Canadian side just from Hamilton on east to Niagara Falls is over 1M people.
 
It's the same exact reason our attendance has been bad (OP is a Devils fan I'm assuming). Team's been atrocious for a decade, times are tough around the country right now + there was a better sports team for people to tune into in the area in the Buffalo Bills. Sabres fans will pack KeyBank for this playoff push that the Sabres are about to have, no doubt in my mind.
This has to be one of the worst thread started by a Devils fans that I’ve seen recently.

I get hives from dumb JAQ attendance threads heaved at us and they throw one at another fanbase. Passive aggressively try to drag a different fanbase for not immediately showing up in droves for a team with a 11-12-2 home record and not in a playoff spot? Gross.
 
This has to be one of the worst thread started by a Devils fans that I’ve seen recently.

I get hives from dumb JAQ attendance threads heaved at us and they throw one at another fanbase. Passive aggressively try to drag a different fanbase for not immediately showing up in droves for a team with a 11-12-2 home record and not in a playoff spot? Gross.
It is purely reflexive. The Sabres are vastly improved, fighting for a playoff spot. So people can't "LOL BOTTOM OF THE LEAGUE" them anymore so they have to passive aggressively drag them on other things.
 
how is this a real question? if you were promised something you desperately wanted but it was a trap where you were tortured for 8 months....and every year that same promise came back with a guarantee this time it was the real deal...and the first couple times you allowed yourself to believe in it because you wanted what was promised so badly....but eventually you lose all hope and trust in the offer.

so when the first hints maybe it wasnt actually a trap this time emerge, you see them while wearing the scars of years being tortured that remind you of what happens when you let yourself believe. the org is gonna have to go above and beyond for the fanbase to trust that theres any reason to believe they arent lying this time.

they are absolutely on the right track though, and its awesome for buffalo. such a fun team to watch, play fast paced and have tons of youth/skill just scratching the surface of their potential. one of the leagues best fanbases, and honestly, some of the best people ive encountered. only been a couple times and definitely had a meh expectation of what it would be like before the first time there, but what a fun little city with awesome people. very happy they finally have some light at the end of the tunnel. theyll be back, but you dont have to be a rocket scientist to see why theyre taking their time getting there.
If you believe the words franchise owners/GM's say to the media, I'm sorry to say but that's a little on you man.
 
once the fanbase loses faith in a team or organization and, more importantly, get used to not following them any longer, or attending games, those fans realize that life goes on without their former fandom. and voila, you've lost (some) fans forever, and some others will take that much more convincing to return.

Buffalo lost the fanbase for a long, long, long time. It'll take time, or huge success, like multiple playoff round wins plus regular season success following it, to help change the direction of that ship.

also. Canadian fans, who have always made up a hefty % of the attendance in Buffalo, have been prevented from attending during COVID. Another vector to consider as those fans slowly return to "normal".
 
This has to be one of the worst thread started by a Devils fans that I’ve seen recently.

I get hives from dumb JAQ attendance threads heaved at us and they throw one at another fanbase. Passive aggressively try to drag a different fanbase for not immediately showing up in droves for a team with a 11-12-2 home record and not in a playoff spot? Gross.

Yeah, I love the Sabres and their fanbase. Hopefully we meet an ECF very soon because it would be awesome for the sport and the bigger market fanbases would rage collectively lol. We're also definitely not a fanbase who should be throwing shade at fanbases not filling up their barn, agree with you on that one.
 
once the fanbase loses faith in a team or organization and, more importantly, get used to not following them any longer, or attending games, those fans realize that life goes on without their former fandom. and voila, you've lost (some) fans forever, and some others will take that much more convincing to return.

Buffalo lost the fanbase for a long, long, long time. It'll take time, or huge success, like multiple playoff round wins plus regular season success following it, to help change the direction of that ship.

also. Canadian fans, who have always made up a hefty % of the attendance in Buffalo, have been prevented from attending during COVID. Another vector to consider as those fans slowly return to "normal".
If they make the playoffs and get swept in the first round this year the building will be sold out for every game next year, guaranteed. It would be a hugely successful season.
 
compare Detroit and buffalo. Detroit has a very small population from Canada in its market.

buffalo metro on US side is around 1.2M. This excludes the Rochester population of another 1M that other large cities include. Thrn on the Canadian side just from Hamilton on east to Niagara Falls is over 1M people.

I have a different POV on this. People in the area between Windsor and Sarnia root for the Red Wings mainly.

As for Hamilton, it’s still very much Leafs territory. Niagara Falls is where you see a transition to Sabres fandom IMO.
 
once the fanbase loses faith in a team or organization and, more importantly, get used to not following them any longer, or attending games, those fans realize that life goes on without their former fandom. and voila, you've lost (some) fans forever, and some others will take that much more convincing to return.

Buffalo lost the fanbase for a long, long, long time. It'll take time, or huge success, like multiple playoff round wins plus regular season success following it, to help change the direction of that ship.

also. Canadian fans, who have always made up a hefty % of the attendance in Buffalo, have been prevented from attending during COVID. Another vector to consider as those fans slowly return to "normal".

I mean, they had four sellouts in the last 26 days by just flirting with being relevant and improved their in rink capacity by 5%.
 
I have a different POV on this. People in the area between Windsor and Sarnia root for the Red Wings mainly.

As for Hamilton, it’s still very much Leafs territory. Niagara Falls is where you see a transition to Sabres fandom IMO.
Maybe now after the Sabres being awful had killed an entire generation of fans. Not in the past.

My entire Father's side of the family were Sabres STH’s and fans from Hamilton as well as his friends because nobody from Hamilton could afford to go to Leafs games. There’s a lot of older Sabres fans from that area, idk about now.
 
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Maybe the Sabres should try and attract local fans instead of relying on people in another country.
I guess Buffalo's not the great hockey market everyone says it is (yeah, we already knew it isn't).
 
I just want the Sabres back in the playoffs so The Goo Goo Dolls come back.
 
Maybe the Sabres should try and attract local fans instead of relying on people in another country.
I guess Buffalo's not the great hockey market everyone says it is (yeah, we already knew it isn't).
lol. guess all those tv numbers are just a conspiracy to help out Big Buffalo.
 
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Maybe now after the Sabres being awful had killed an entire generation of fans. Not in the past.

My entire Father's side of the family were Sabres STH’s and fans from Hamilton as well as his friends because nobody from Hamilton could afford to go to Leafs games. There’s a lot of older Sabres fans from that area, idk about now.

Fair enough. One thing to consider is that Hamilton has many people that couldn’t afford to live in Toronto due to absurd real estate costs.
 
Funny how you don’t see these excuses for sunbelt teams
Funnily enough Sabres fans travel well in the Sunbelt. And by travel well, I mean tons of Western New Yorkers actually live down here especially since the last time the Sabres made the playoffs. That could probably have a lot to do with attendance in Buffalo in addition to the weather there but I hear Buffalo is kinda in the midst of renaissance but I don't know, haven't been there in years.
 
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