Why is it inconceivable for Matthews to be McDavid's equal?

[Neuf]

Let. Players. Earn. Accolades.

McDavid is a 100 point Ross, Hart, Lindsay winner. Projections aside, he's earned those titles.

Eichel needs to do a full season over ppg to get into the conversation. However, that could still mean he's a Kucherov/Marchand/Schiefele, not Crosby/McDavid.

Matthews is a Calder winner. Outstanding rookie among a crop of outstanding rookies. That's it. Matthews also needs to prove how good he is. He projects well, but let's let him achieve it t.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think you're mixing me to a Leafs fan. If you scroll back this thread (or look my history) you'll see that's not the case. In fact I've been saying all along in this thread that McDavid is better and most likely will always remain so. Matthews might challenge him one or few seasons, but he's probably never going to be consistently as good as McDavid is.

That said, if McDavid doesn't develop as well as we all believe he will, these things happen and Matthews ends up being bit better than we think he's going to be, those things happen too, then it's possible that they might end up being similar caliber players. Is it likely? No. It's highly unlikely and I don't expect it to happen. But it's not entirely impossible.

I agree with all this and I'm a Leaf fan. I don't think Matthews will ever reach McDavid's level but is it possible? Of course it is.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Let. Players. Earn. Accolades.

McDavid is a 100 point Ross, Hart, Lindsay winner. Projections aside, he's earned those titles.

Eichel needs to do a full season over ppg to get into the conversation. However, that could still mean he's a Kucherov/Marchand/Schiefele, not Crosby/McDavid.

Matthews is a Calder winner. Outstanding rookie among a crop of outstanding rookies. That's it. Matthews also needs to prove how good he is. He projects well, but let's let him achieve it t.

This x 100. Matthews hasn't separated himself from the players on his own tier yet. That may happen next year or the year after or not. But today he's not better than the Eichels, Laines ect.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

This x 100. Matthews hasn't separated himself from the players on his own tier yet. That may happen next year or the year after or not. But today he's not better than the Eichels, Laines ect.

164/167 voters believe he has separated himself from Laine and that he's better. He also had a far better rookie season than Eichel, though he took a step forward in his second year

 

[Tom Collins]

164/167 voters believe he has separated himself from Laine and that he's better. He also had a far better rookie season than Eichel, though he took a step forward in his second year

Yes, he was voted as a better rookie than Laine... Not sure what the point of this is?

If just being "better" puts you on a tier above the next player, why is this thread even around? Shouldn't it then be clear that Matthews is NOT on McDavid's level? (Since your criteria for Matthews being a level above his peers is that he had "better" seasons than them both).

I really, REALLY wish I could visit the alternate universe where these guys (McDavid and Matthews) ended up on the opposite teams. Something tells me (oh let's just say it's a hunch ) that Leafs Nation would be in an uproar if the first-round exiting Oilers tried to compare their 69-point guy in Auston Matthews to their 100-point Art, Hart and Lindsay winning hometown boy who took them to game-7 of the second round.

 

[Rick74*]

Why? Because I don't want the Leafs to pay 13 mil to have him stay here thus killing our chances of ever winning a cup.

That's why.

Let McDavid win all the regular season awards he wants. Me no care.

 

[Plural]

164/167 voters believe he has separated himself from Laine and that he's better. He also had a far better rookie season than Eichel, though he took a step forward in his second year

That's way too simplistic logic. The gap between Laine and Matthews was not nearly big enough to say Matthews has separated himself from Laine. If anything, Laine proved that he can play on similar level as Matthews. Time will tell which one will separate himself if either will.

 

[nbwingsfan]

164/167 voters believe he has separated himself from Laine and that he's better. He also had a far better rookie season than Eichel, though he took a step forward in his second year

All of the voters rated Skinner as "better" than Seguin. Fun fact, best rookie season does not equal better player forever, especially when one is more NHL ready than the other and one missed time with a concussion.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

All of the voters rated Skinner as "better" than Seguin. Fun fact, best rookie season does not equal better player forever, especially when one is more NHL ready than the other and one missed time with a concussion.

Cool but irrelevant point here considering all we have to go by are rookie years

 

[Connor]

It would be super hard for Matthews to have a second season in the NHL similar to McDavid's. If he does it then yeah, he's as good as McDavid and easily the best American player ever.

 

[NeutralFan88]

What's impressive is how McDavid got 100 in this era.

Look how many guys got 80+ points and a ton of PP points back in 2006. It's insane.

We are back to clutch and grab.

On top of that, he could have easily had more than 30 goals. He will learn to be more selfish. So many plays where he had a good shot, but passed it off for a missed chance.

Matthews basically has to have a 90+ point campaign next year to get into the same galaxy as McDavid.

 

[DustyMartellaughs]

Twenty nine pages of one fan base desperately pleading for validation. Sad.

 

[hfman]

This x 100. Matthews hasn't separated himself from the players on his own tier yet. That may happen next year or the year after or not. But today he's not better than the Eichels, Laines ect.

there's more than one Eichel and Laine?

 

[VainGretzky]

We know one thing for sure Leafs GM will 100% when negotiating Matthew next contract will not be saying he is McDavids equal /thread.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Twenty nine pages of one fan base desperately pleading for validation. Sad.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Twenty nine pages of one fan base desperately pleading for validation. Sad.

/end thread

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Many delusional people here. Most people aren't even saying Matthews is on McDavid. And saying leafs are sad and desperate etc. Are even more sad.

 

[NobleSix]

Twenty nine pages of one fan base desperately pleading for validation. Sad.

29 pages? Try hundreds of threads on this website.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Twenty nine pages of one fan base desperately pleading for validation. Sad.

Yeah but it's apparently the favorite hobby of oilers fans now. We'll just have to live with it

 

[nbwingsfan]

Cool but irrelevant point here considering all we have to go by are rookie years

Really not irrelevant when Laine has a better PPG and GPG despite missing time with a concussion and Matthews was seen as the far more NHL ready player.

In no way shape or form has Matthews "separated" himself from Laine. If anything, Laine proved he is just as good as Matthews.

 

[Leafsrock95]

Really not irrelevant when Laine has a better PPG and GPG despite missing time with a concussion and Matthews was seen as the far more NHL ready player.

In no way shape or form has Matthews "separated" himself from Laine. If anything, Laine proved he is just as good as Matthews.

Not on planet earth.

Matthews line was all rookies and he generates way more scoring chances plus better all round player not to mention he is a center not a winger.

Laine has to outproduce him by like 15 points to prove he is just as good.

 

[OilCanada92]

Not on planet earth.

Matthews line was all rookies and he generates way more scoring chances plus better all round player not to mention he is a center not a winger.

Laine has to outproduce him by like 15 points to prove he is just as good.

Patrick Maroon had 26 goals in 204 games before joining the Oilers. That's a 10 goal pace. He has 35 goals in 97 games with the Oilers.

Linemates aren't an excuse if you're trying to make the argument that Matthews is in the same category as McDavid.

 

[Leafsrock95]

Patrick Maroon had 26 goals in 204 games before joining the Oilers. That's a 10 goal pace. He has 35 goals in 97 games with the Oilers.

Linemates aren't an excuse if you're trying to make the argument that Matthews is in the same category as McDavid.

Did i mention mcdavid once. Matthews not as good as him.

 

[OilCanada92]

Did i mention mcdavid once. Matthews not as good as him.

Just making a point to Leafs fans. It's also a point that is relevant to the topic of this thread.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Not on planet earth.

Matthews line was all rookies and he generates way more scoring chances plus better all round player not to mention he is a center not a winger.

Laine has to outproduce him by like 15 points to prove he is just as good.

"All rookies" when one of those rookies had a whole 8 points less than him...

We're not talking about valuable player, we're talking about who's better. Position has nothing to do with skill.

Only if Leafland can their player get outscored and be considered on an entirely different level higher.