Funny how the PPG vs. points argument falls on deaf ears when talking about the best player in the world.
Why is it inconceivable for Matthews to be McDavid's equal?
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Funny how the PPG vs. points argument falls on deaf ears when talking about the best player in the world.
Have fun with Leafs fans.
Beerfish
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It's possible though not likely but the bigger question is how are the Leafs and Matthews going to do vs McDavid and the oilers? In the end its' who wins cups or more cups that is important.
I'm sure Matthews and most leaf fans would be more than happy to be 2nd or 3rd best and win cups.
I'm sure Matthews and most leaf fans would be more than happy to be 2nd or 3rd best and win cups.
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I wasn't part of the original exchanges, but this transition stat is pointless.
It's saying that because he gets the most touches, he's the #1 transition forward in the game. That's poor logic. He gets the most touches partially because Buffalo has limited alternative options for breakouts.
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It puts him on the same tier, which is just not (IMO and many PROFESSIONAL hockey minds, not media) an accurate statement.
Oilers fans become both intellectually & emotionally affronted by the suggestion. After 5 first overalls (all of which were, unfortunately, the consensus pick at the time) it is nice to have one that stands above all others. After years of suffering, that is ground worth defending from our perspective.
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Samcanadian
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Matthews isn't even as good as Laine. AINEC.
In fact, you can't even SPELL Laine without AINE....C
In fact, you can't even SPELL Laine without AINE....C
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So Laine had better PPG and GPG than Matthews. Does that make Laine generational as he scored more than the "generational" player? Hell no!
So now that Leafs fans have come to the premature conclusion that Matthews is better than Laine, they've now moved onto comparing him to McDavid.
Good.
Good.
Does this make Laine better than McDavid, because Laine is better than McDavid in all of those categories. NO! Laine, Eichel and Matthews are in the Elite tier, but McDavid is in his own tier.
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Why is it inconceivable for Matthews to NOT be in the same tier as McDavid to this very vocal (hopefully minority) sect of Leafs Nation?
What has he done to put himself there? Honest question.
What has he done to put himself there? Honest question.
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He got approximately half as many goals as Teemu Selanne in his rookie season.
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40 goals as a teen, also a mark that McDavid has not hit yet. Not saying hes better but you make it sound like its not even remotely close tier wise.
IMO it will be like OVIE and Crosby, numbers will say they are close but theres still a gap.
So if Matthews plays a full season next year and scores lets say 80 points will this debate be over for a while? Imo Matthews doesn't have the playmaking ability to match McD in points, but he will probably always be the better goal scorer. The speed at which McDavid can handle the puck is generational. McDavid had both more assists and more EV points than Matthews had total points this season.
Matthews has a suite of elite skills (and no weaknesses) that make him an elite player, but he has no individual skill that someone else in the league can't do as good or better.
McDavid has a suite of elite skills and a generational skill (skating/puck handling combo). No one else in the NHL can handle the puck at the speed with which McDavid can handle the puck, and that's what makes him "generational."
Matthews has a suite of elite skills (and no weaknesses) that make him an elite player, but he has no individual skill that someone else in the league can't do as good or better.
McDavid has a suite of elite skills and a generational skill (skating/puck handling combo). No one else in the NHL can handle the puck at the speed with which McDavid can handle the puck, and that's what makes him "generational."
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Tyler Myers
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if matthews gets to play with nylander or marner for a full seasons i think it would be fair, Leon Draisaitl's development is kinda similar in a way to Nylander's. If youre just going by points though you would need to drop Hyman tho as hes an advanced stats offensive blackhole lol.
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Mattilaus
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That's impossible to say. For all you know he goes on a massive slump and scores nothing in those games he missed even if he had played in them.
Nizdizzle
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Extremely doubtful, as Laine tailed off majorly around the end of the year.
BlueBaron
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The correct answer is it is entirely possible. Translate that into Oilernese "Laine is better than McDavid! "
Laine, Eichel and Matthews could all potentially rival McDavid. It's unlikely, but it is possible. Translate that to Oilernese "All three are the best player in the league and are all better than McDavid."
It took me awhile to get the language down but I've got it now.
